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re: ESPN on best Tiger big leaguer ever
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:56 pm to TexasTiger08
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:56 pm to TexasTiger08
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Those that don’t know history
the majority of this place
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:56 pm to Hetfield
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It's Albert Belle & it's not even close.
That’s just not true. Defense matters. Belle was hidden in LF and was still a bad fielder relative to a position where they put bad fielders. Bregman not only plays an important defensive position, he’s a Gold Glove caliber defender at that position. Belle also played in a high scoring offensive era with juiced baseballs (and, in his case, corked bats). His offensive numbers were great even for the era, but not quite as great as they look without the proper context.
2018-19 Alex Bregman as an all around player was better than any year Belle put up, though Belle’s next 3 years exceed Bregman’s next 3. Overall, they both have 30.2 WAR for their 5 best seasons. The problem for Belle, and why he isn’t in the Hall of Fame, is that he had only one other season where he was a significantly above average player. 5 great years and 1 very good year just isn’t enough. That’s what Bregman has currently as well, but he’s on his way to a 6th great season this year. He’ll still need a few more to enter the HOF discussion, but this year finally put him over the top relative to Belle.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:08 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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Belle was for almost a decade in the conversation with Griffey,
He had 5 great years offensively and 1 other very good year. He was never even close to him defensively.
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His peak numbers are Barry Bonds level
He had one year with an OPS+ of 194 and 2 others above 170. Bonds’ best year was 268 with 6 years above 200 (including 2 before he started juicing) and 13 above 170. And that’s before adding in base running and defense.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:12 pm to LSUfan4444
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This guy isn’t too bad 3xAll-Star (2015, 2017, 2019) 2× All-MLB First Team (2019, 2020) 4× Gold Glove Award (2014, 2017, 2018, 2022) 2× Silver Slugger Award (2019, 2020) 2× MLB batting champion (2016, 2020)
One of only 2 players to win the batting title in BOTH leagues.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:14 pm to 777Tiger
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Alvin Dark was no slouch
Bregman is still a little behind Dark in career WAR, but Dark did it over a longer career so far. Still he was a very fine and much overlooked player. Not playing his first full season until age 26 definitely hurt his career numbers.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:38 pm to 777Tiger
Paul Byrd had a looong career
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:55 pm to TexasTiger08
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It’s Belle right now. Bregman and Skenes will have a say when all is said and done.
Lemahieu continues to be overlooked.
Those that don’t know history have failed to mentioned Joe Adcock and Al Dark.
Baseball reference has this for WAR on the mentioned players:
Joe Adcock: 33.5
Al Dark: 43.9
Albert Belle: 40.1
Alex Bregman: 42.6
Dj Lemahieu: 30.3
Aaron Nola: 35.3
It's worth mentioning that WAR changes depending on where you look because not everyone calculates it the same. Also, for the active guys it could go up over time, so Bregman will more than likely pass Dark before he retires assuming his game doesn't go to shite.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:17 am to Mouth
quote:lol no. Gausman, Nola, and Brian Wilson all have had better MLB careers. Great guy though.
Big Ben.
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 12:20 am
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:09 am to fastlane
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Alex will play 10 more years and be the best.
With that quad of his, it might only average out to ~80 games a year. It is a damn shame because he had by far the hottest start of his career before going down.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:11 am to bstaceyau19
I realize he’s on the IL and has started slow, but I still believe Dylan Crews will be in the debate by the time he’s done.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:46 am to KingofthePoint
bregman has 13 more WAR in 5 less seasons, on top of 2 WS rings. Love DJ, but Alex has already surpassed him and it's not particularly close.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:35 am to bstaceyau19
Belle right now.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:42 am to Klark Kent
There is another player not in this thread that has their number retired at the box....
I'll also throw out Ryan Theriot and Todd Walker
I'll also throw out Ryan Theriot and Todd Walker
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:45 am to fastlane
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Alex will play 10 more years and be the best.
If he does his overall numbers will likely suffer. He got the change in scenery bump early with the Sox but his numbers were starting to decline before this year and will likely continue to decline in the coming years as they almost always do for players in their 30's.
But he had maybe the best start of a season he's had ever this year as he's typically a slow starter? I'd have to dig into the numbers to confirm but if it's not it's close.
I'd have to give Belle the nod - just my opinion - but Bregs has certainly had a great career.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:45 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Yeah. I’d have both Theriot and Walker in my top 3.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:48 am to bstaceyau19
DJ is the only player EVER to win a batting title in both AL and NL. Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, All-star.
If not the best, the most underrated
If not the best, the most underrated
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:49 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Ryan Theriot and Todd Walker
Definitely solid, but no individual hardware
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:51 am to Rantrambler
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Breg is doing it with trashcans
FIFY
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:52 am to bstaceyau19
Its Alvin Dark in a close call. Here is a link to read about him, then you make the call: Alvin Dark Wikipedia page
He was a three-time All-Star and a two-time World Series champion, once as a player (1954) and once as a manager (1974).
Good ole Lake Chuck boy! His military service delayed his baseball career a little, but he was still one of a kind.
He was a three-time All-Star and a two-time World Series champion, once as a player (1954) and once as a manager (1974).
Good ole Lake Chuck boy! His military service delayed his baseball career a little, but he was still one of a kind.
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 6:54 am
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:57 am to bstaceyau19
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It's worth mentioning that WAR changes depending on where you look because not everyone calculates it the same.
And WAR is a metric that figures in defense, which is a bit harder IMHO to calculate accurately. But if you use WAR as your base for determining the best Bregs will be tough to beat due to his defense.
Many in these arguments tend to look at only offensive numbers but that's a different argument.....best hitter vs. best overall player.
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