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re: ESPN - define "control your own destiny"
Posted on 10/25/09 at 11:02 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 10/25/09 at 11:02 pm to SpidermanTUba
If Florida and Bama decide to tank it and we end up in the Championship game with a shitty opponent.
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Posted on 10/25/09 at 11:13 pm to SpidermanTUba
if we win out...and either texas or iowa loses we will be in the national championship...2004 is a different situation because the pollsters were not moving oklahoma and usc out of the nc game
Posted on 10/25/09 at 11:15 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
If we beat a #1 Florida and a #2 Bama then the assumption is that we might be able to jump an undefeated team with a weak schedule.
The computer I am sure would put us higher than the TCUs of the world. I am not sure we could jump an unbeaten Iowa, but it is possible. They need Penn State to keep winning, but if they keep barely winning, it is possible for LSU under the above scenario to hop them.
Until the Big Ten and Pac 10 have a Championship game, they will continue to be hopped over if they have one loss, and I could see a slim possibility of a 1 loss SEC hopping over unbeaten Iowa this year.
I remember several years back, when people were screaming for 2 loss Colorado to be in the MNC picture.
I do get your point. It is not in their control. Even if they win out, they would need people to toss aside their regional bias for LSU to jump and undefeated Big Ten team.
I do think under that scenario, they would hop TCU, Boise or Cincy.
If Iowa keeps winning ugly, I could see them picking LSU but that would be very slim. LSU would need Iowa to win ugly and their opponents to lose.
If everyone loses 1 game, then LSU would easily hop the pretender conference 1 loss teams, Iowa and USC. Although if everyone lost 1 game, It would then probably be LSU vs. USC.
Yes I am rambling. The OP is right that we can't just win our way in. We really need Iowa to lose, and we need our opponents to keep winning.
I could also see some regional voters putting the mid conference pretenders into the game just to stick it to the SEC and the BCS.
The computer I am sure would put us higher than the TCUs of the world. I am not sure we could jump an unbeaten Iowa, but it is possible. They need Penn State to keep winning, but if they keep barely winning, it is possible for LSU under the above scenario to hop them.
Until the Big Ten and Pac 10 have a Championship game, they will continue to be hopped over if they have one loss, and I could see a slim possibility of a 1 loss SEC hopping over unbeaten Iowa this year.
I remember several years back, when people were screaming for 2 loss Colorado to be in the MNC picture.
I do get your point. It is not in their control. Even if they win out, they would need people to toss aside their regional bias for LSU to jump and undefeated Big Ten team.
I do think under that scenario, they would hop TCU, Boise or Cincy.
If Iowa keeps winning ugly, I could see them picking LSU but that would be very slim. LSU would need Iowa to win ugly and their opponents to lose.
If everyone loses 1 game, then LSU would easily hop the pretender conference 1 loss teams, Iowa and USC. Although if everyone lost 1 game, It would then probably be LSU vs. USC.
Yes I am rambling. The OP is right that we can't just win our way in. We really need Iowa to lose, and we need our opponents to keep winning.
I could also see some regional voters putting the mid conference pretenders into the game just to stick it to the SEC and the BCS.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 11:28 pm to TigerMyth36
Just remember in 2007, also the Big- Ten haven't been a power conference in quite some time now. So unbeaten or not, a one-loss SEC team will get the nod over them.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 11:33 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
- LSU is not guaranteed a spot in the NC if they win-out.
define guaranteed.
If we win out we will have beaten the current #1 and #2 teams.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 12:29 am to Buckeye Fan 19
No one will put Cincy in the BCS over a 1 loss LSU. (Besides, no one would watch the title game.) Iowa is a problem, but only because the computers have them #1. That would be changed based on SOS if LSU wins out. THe pollsters have them at #8 now.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 12:38 am to lsumatt
[quote]In other words, if LSU wins out, they go to the MNC game regardless of what anyone else does. ]
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Posted on 10/26/09 at 12:50 am to wil
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Iowa is a problem, but only because the computers have them #1. That would be changed based on SOS if LSU wins out.
Iowa would still almost certainly be ahead (keep in mind, they'd be undefeated and LSU would still have a L, the comp considers that, too).
Posted on 10/26/09 at 12:58 am to TigerMyth36
quote:
The computer I am sure would put us higher than the TCUs of the world. I am not sure we could jump an unbeaten Iowa, but it is possible. They need Penn State to keep winning, but if they keep barely winning, it is possible for LSU under the above scenario to hop them.
The computer rankings, by rule, are not allowed to consider margin of victory.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 3:40 am to cepheid
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a one loss SEC champion is not going to get blocked out of the BCS NC game after the way the SEC has dominated that game in recent years
They will if someone doesn't beat Iowa.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 3:42 am to Duzz
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Gary Danielson Already said the seed will be like this.
Seed 1- Unbeaten SEC team
Seed 2- Unbeaten Texas
Seed 3- One Loss SEC team
Seed 4- One loss USC
Gary Danielson is a moron if he doesn't have an undefeated Iowa in his top 4.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 4:09 am to Buckeye Fan 19
quote:Iowa being ranked behind BSU, Cincy, TCU, speaks volumes about what the Big10 has become. In the voters' minds, it trails the WAC, Mountain West, and Big East.
Texas undefeated.
Iowa undefeated.
End of your theory.
Think about that.
So, not only is it not the "end of the theory" that a 1-loss LSU having played 5-6 Top25 and three #1's would jump Iowa, but it's likely that Iowa wouldn't get in ahead of 2 of the 3 non-BCS undefeated teams.
Thank your Big 10 Commissioner Jim Delany for his ignorant arrogance and move on.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 4:19 am to NC_Tigah
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but it's likely that Iowa wouldn't get in ahead of 2 of the 3 non-BCS undefeated teams
That is completely false man.
It doesn't matter where they're ranked now.
By the year's end, if Iowa is undefeated, there is a 0% chance a non-BCS team will be ranked ahead of them.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 4:35 am to shel311
quote:In the BCS? You're probably right because the computers love 'em. In the polls? Not so much. If they are ranked behind 1 or 2 non-BCS teams and LSU is #2, the computers won't help Iowa.
By the year's end, if Iowa is undefeated, there is a 0% chance a non-BCS team will be ranked ahead of them.
At this point, it's all silliness. The chance of LSU winning out is very low --- as it is for Iowa despite their schedule cakewalk. Odds are huge that the MNC game will be UF/Bama vs UT, but who knows?
Posted on 10/26/09 at 6:53 am to SpidermanTUba
It's defined as delusion. There is no such thing.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 7:45 am to lsutiger2486
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if a 1 loss team goes over an undefeated BCS team that is fricked up.
Is it any more fricked up than a two-loss team going over a one-loss BCS team? That happened in 2007.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 8:06 am to NC_Tigah
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Iowa being ranked behind BSU, Cincy, TCU, speaks volumes about what the Big10 has become
they have 2 extremely ugly home wins though against Northern Iowa and Arkansas State
I don't think it will matter, they'll lose somewhere along the way
Posted on 10/26/09 at 8:36 am to ForeLSU
Undefeated Iowa
Undefeated Texas
Undefeated Cincy
1-Loss USC (loss to Washington)
1-Loss LSU (only loss is avenged in the title game)
I think Texas and LSU would make it to the title game...Just my opinion, but I think LSU tops USC because of common opponenet and tops the other two because of what the media portrays the SEC as compared to what it portrays the Big 10/Big East as.
Undefeated Texas
Undefeated Cincy
1-Loss USC (loss to Washington)
1-Loss LSU (only loss is avenged in the title game)
I think Texas and LSU would make it to the title game...Just my opinion, but I think LSU tops USC because of common opponenet and tops the other two because of what the media portrays the SEC as compared to what it portrays the Big 10/Big East as.
Posted on 10/26/09 at 9:32 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 10/26/09 at 9:35 am to SpidermanTUba
Disagree... LSU definately controls their own destiny at the moment. There is no way that if LSU wins out and wins the SEC championship that they will be left at home...
HOWEVER, could you imagine if that did happen and USC got the nod over LSU to play Texas... I think people in Louisiana would be rioting in the streets, lol.
HOWEVER, could you imagine if that did happen and USC got the nod over LSU to play Texas... I think people in Louisiana would be rioting in the streets, lol.
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