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re: ED taught us the CEO coaching model can work, he's just not capable of running it
Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:45 pm to jbraua
Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:45 pm to jbraua
No it cant
Eventually your good assistants leave, and sicne you arent good on either side of the ball, you are forced to hire first time OCs and DCs
Eventually your good assistants leave, and sicne you arent good on either side of the ball, you are forced to hire first time OCs and DCs
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:55 pm to S
Idk why he’s not around anymore
Roughest part of that thread is the “relax J, O is never getting this job”
Roughest part of that thread is the “relax J, O is never getting this job”
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:05 pm to BilJ
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Anyhoo, I think it's much ado about nothing. I don't think there's anything O can do short of winning the national championship this year that would have him back here as HC next year. Joe inherited Miles and this is his chance to stamp his legacy. He's not hiring Big Ed unless shite goes really south with the top candidates.
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No faith in the fact that he's 10 years older, and since the ole miss tenure he spent years with Pete Carroll? After learning under him and mimicking his coaching style he went 6-2.. Or maybe that he would bring in top talent? Or maybe Lsu historically has shite the bed with coaching hires untill this millenium. It's that thinking that got Texas Tennessee and USC where they are. Who knows if USC sticks with O which btw many inside the program still regrets. He revamped them in a hurry and the AD had the same narrow mind with that gotta have experience at a major program shite. Ya that wked out. Or how about Clemson hiring a position coach who was fiery & could recruit oh and was interim coach. Do u know why that was ?? No u don't too narrow minded I guess. Let's hope alleva thinks outside the box
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This is what I don't understand from the anti-O crowd.
Why does this brutal November stretch prove nothing to you? Do you think he wouldn't maintain a similar talent level? Will he suddenly lose the ability to make in game adjustments or hold assistants accountable? How do you define "building a program"? What does him coaching a bunch of sunbelt kids against sunbelt coaches really show you, that beating Freeze, Saban, and Sumlin wouldn't? If he navigates this stretch of games with one loss or less then it's just sheer Texas level arrogance to think you're gonna find someone who can do better.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:08 pm to jbraua
Bobby Bowden taught us that, too. So did Bear Bryant and Dabo Swinney and a hundred other coaches. Do you think Ed invented "One team, one heartbeat"?
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:10 pm to jbraua
If the HC is not capable of understanding plays or X’s/O’s then it does not work. We pay 8 million for a cheer leader. He has always had his mic in the up position, he never has a playbook in his hand…. I guarantee you he doesn’t even know the playbook… he doesn’t communicate with the booth to switch plays… he has never talked to the coaches in game. He walks around clapping and yelling and that’s what we pay for. We are the idiots not him
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:11 pm to jbraua
I’d rather a Saban type that’s a master on one side of the ball. Good coordinators will inevitably leave, so you want to know at least that the HC is still going to hold it down on one side at least and get someone new to handle the other. That’s one fundamental flaw of O as HC as we’ve seen - we were toast once Aranda and Brady left.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:15 pm to DaBeerz
Bebe got real lucky. He inherited Aranda and stumbled into Brady. He stayed out of the way long enough to run the gauntlet.
When forced to replace those coordinators, zero chance he would get it right again.
He isn’t Pete Carroll. Never will be.
When forced to replace those coordinators, zero chance he would get it right again.
He isn’t Pete Carroll. Never will be.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:16 pm to jbraua
If you get someone who is elite on one side of the ball then you're effectively running the CEO model except you always have an elite coordinator on one side of the ball.
Take a look around the country, how many successful programs are using this model? Because the two teams ruling the conference sure aren't, and all the other consistent playoff contenders aren't either.
Take a look around the country, how many successful programs are using this model? Because the two teams ruling the conference sure aren't, and all the other consistent playoff contenders aren't either.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:19 pm to jbraua
Im pretty sure that Meyer or Saban or others coulda watched our practices and seen we are in a bad way......too bad our guy couldnt even do that.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:29 pm to 1999
there's probably a lot of gold in threads from that season/hiring process
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:38 pm to jbraua
Nobody wanted to hitch their wagon to a meathead like O after last year. The coaching ranks aren't stupid. They knew he was inept. That's why he couldn't hire decent coordinators. A CEO coach has to have at least a little input everywhere. O is useless rah rah guy. Glorified cheerleader. Just look at sideline huddles, he's a spectator incapable of adding anything except butt slaps and yaw yaw. Fuggin imbecile
Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:43 pm to jbraua
Who did he hire? Aranda was here already. Brady was picked out by Ensminger. Who did he hand-pick (meaning his pick, not recommended by someone else) that worked out?
I don't think it can work, unless the CEO has no ego. Eventually that CEO is going to feel the urge to prove that it was more him than the assistants, when he knows deep down it's not.
I don't think it can work, unless the CEO has no ego. Eventually that CEO is going to feel the urge to prove that it was more him than the assistants, when he knows deep down it's not.
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:59 pm to jbraua
The whole concept is fundamentally flawed:
It starts with the notion that the HC you have hired is not really qualified as an elite HC, so you are going to compensate by hiring elite coordinators.
Meanwhile, the best programs hire elite HC's AND elite coordinators.
This is not rocket surgery, unless you are Ed O and Joe Alleva.
It starts with the notion that the HC you have hired is not really qualified as an elite HC, so you are going to compensate by hiring elite coordinators.
Meanwhile, the best programs hire elite HC's AND elite coordinators.
This is not rocket surgery, unless you are Ed O and Joe Alleva.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 4:17 pm to jbraua
Can you imagine Saban using this model. Essentially contracting out the details to others and using Madden mentality to just plug n play players to it.
2019 turning into that "even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut" more and more, IMO.
2019 turning into that "even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut" more and more, IMO.
Posted on 10/4/21 at 4:23 pm to jbraua
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and Daronte Jones
I disagree with you here. He is a good hire. May not be elite, but he is light years better than Pelini!
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