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re: Ed Orgeron's presser on the offense
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:16 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:16 am to Topwater Trout
He wants to be balanced. Well yeah, I'd hope so.
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:20 am to lsu2006
Why are you having trouble grasping what he wants offensively then?
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:21 am to LAHurricane
I don’t see how anyone would want this to be Steve’s offense over Brady’s. I mean we have seen Steve’s offense and it isn’t anything special. It’s not terrible but it isn’t going to get LSU to the playoffs or score on Bama.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:21 am to Topwater Trout
quote:I mean... isn't that what almost every football coach wants these days? To spread the field while running and passing the ball effectively. Lets not act like this is some crazy new concept he has come up with
We know he doesn't want to be one dimensional and his vision is to be more multiple with spread concepts. I think he is looking for a balanced attack and the ability to dominate an opponent through the air or on the ground.
My point is that his answer is almost the most vague answer you can give. "We want to do everything well. Play with tempo, but still be physical. Spread the field, but still have a physical run game. Run 4 wide, but still be able to put a fullback in the game and run down hill." At some point you have to establish an identity, and he has yet to do that.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:25 am to Topwater Trout
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Why are you having trouble grasping what he wants offensively then?
Because he's said about 10 different things over the last few years. It seems obvious at this point he's just plugging things in and hoping for the best. Right now people are going with "spread/RPO is what he wants" just because that's what we're lead to believe we are implementing this year. What will it be when/if Brady goes somewhere else?
Your throwing out buzzwords like "multiple" and "balanced" doesn't really tell me much about an offense's identity. Of course all offenses should strive for balance. It does seem clear to me that we'll be operating from more shotgun/spread formations but other than that I think it's anyone's guess as to how the offense will actually function and what it's real identity will be.
I just don't think O has a firm vision for what he wants the program's offensive identity to be long-term. It seems to change with the direction of the wind.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 11:27 am
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:34 am to lsu2006
quote:O is pretty good at telling people what they want to hear. Promising "change" is the easiest way for people to extend faith in him for a longer period of time.
I just don't think O has a firm vision for what he wants the program's offensive identity to be long-term. It seems to change with the direction of the wind.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:35 am to Nughuffer
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Promising "change" is the easiest way for people to extend faith in him for a longer period of time.
When we're a little over a week before season starts, that sounds like an idiotic ideal.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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When we're a little over a week before season starts, that sounds like an idiotic ideal.
What are you arguing here?
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:We're talking about changes to the offense that were announced in January 2019.
When we're a little over a week before season starts, that sounds like an idiotic ideal.
Everyone is excited about the offense because of the change that was promised when Brady was hired. Tiger fans crossing their fingers will remain so until we see it on the field.
Side note - Do you ever post anything with substance or do you just call people morons/idiots/dumbasses as your argumentative effort?
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:43 am to Nughuffer
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We're talking about changes to the offense that were announced in January 2019.
How would that buy him goodwill when..
1) He wasn't in hot water
2) The season was a short 8 months away?
Sounds like your theory has a lot of holes.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:46 am to lsu2006
BRADY OR BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
O may not have been in hot water, but he has extremely high expectations. One of those expectations is that he improves the archaic offense and last year didn't really show much improvement from 2016.
So when you bring in someone like Joe Brady, who is supposed to revamp the offense, it extends the period in which people will keep hope in that he will change things. It's not a theory. It is a psychological tactic that comes to an end if said change isn't made.
So when you bring in someone like Joe Brady, who is supposed to revamp the offense, it extends the period in which people will keep hope in that he will change things. It's not a theory. It is a psychological tactic that comes to an end if said change isn't made.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:52 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
You are correct about that. But I for one do not say that there is a secret playbook. In what ways does performing a show on what our entire offensive philosophy will look like before we need to? In the past even the practices and scrimmages sounded vanilla. That doesn't seem to be the case this year. Do I think there is a secret playbook, no, but I do believe alot will be held back until Texas.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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How would that buy him goodwill when..
1) He wasn't in hot water
Uh, we all saw how shitty that offense was last season. He did too. And he's the one that promised the best, didn't he?
If we went into this season with that same offense he would be in hot water in short order. Can't ride the defense's coattails forever.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 11:53 am
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:52 am to Nughuffer
quote:
, it extends the period in which people will keep hope in that he will change things.
WTF
No it doesn't. If it works, it works. If not, he will definitely be in hot water.
If anything, it's a gamble.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Calm down, little buddy. There's no need to get fired up.
WTF
No it doesn't
How does one promising change NOT give people more hope for a new, better horizon?
If O didn't bring in Brady, do you think people would be as excited about the offense? or do you think they would be concerned because last year's offense was fairly lack luster?
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:58 am to lsu2006
He made a mistake with Canada...does anyone really want the offense we had under Canada? Last year a new qb and terrible line had an impact on what we could do offensively. Some of yall think we can just spread the field and throw quick passes but it isn't that simple. It takes time to change and there are some things we want to keep from our previous offenses. We are evolving offensively. Get your shots in now though b/c I think we will see things going forward most of us have wanted for almost a decade.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:01 pm to Nughuffer
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How does one promising change NOT give people more hope for a new, better horizon?
Dude, this fanbase is tired of hearing about change. They hate when they hear promises of change, they're skeptical.
Your bizarre theory is just that.
It's far more likely that the staff want's a more dynamic offense to utilize the talent on the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:02 pm to Goldrush25
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If we went into this season with that same offense he would be in hot water in short order.
Brady isn't the only reason the offense will probably be much better
Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:02 pm to Topwater Trout
So O's offensive vision is so grandiose that it take 2 years (EDIT: 3 years) and 2 quasi-offensive coordinators to properly implement it?
Shots? What are you talking about?
quote:
Get your shots in now though b/c I think we will see things going forward most of us have wanted for almost a decade.
Shots? What are you talking about?
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 12:04 pm
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