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Posted on 8/7/19 at 4:05 am to Penrod
It is not possible for a Head Coach to "meddle" with HIS team's offense (unless an OC has a Full-Control contract - E doesn't).
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 5:25 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:03 am to MightyYat
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’d love to know how many head coaches just let their OC do what they want with no questions asked?
there is a massive gap between asking no questions and neutering a part of your offense.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:08 am to MightyYat
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I don’t think it was all Ed’s decision.
This continues to be trotted out as a defense for hiring a guy with A) an offense LSU fans now claim was gimmicky before he got here and was never going to work in the SEC and B) a complete a-hole who can't hold a job down anywhere.
Problem is, other than guys suggesting it, I've never seen one once of evidence anyone other than our head coach had a hand in hiring the guy. I'm open to evidence to the contrary, and would actually be pissed if Orgeron WAS NOT given carte blanche authority to make his own hires...however shitty they may be. But until there is some evidence for this claim, it sounds like an excuse to mask a terrible decision.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:09 am to Tiger Ree
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you are confused about the arse kicking in consecutive games:
The first game was in the Alabama State Championship game. I think the Bama fan - Capt Panic or Capt Scared - said the score was 52-7 in favor of LSU's Parrish' team.
The second consecutive game was in Hawaii at the Polynesian Bowl. I think LSU's Parrish and his team were with Tua's team in calling for Tua to be benched - just so the game would be interesting. It was on late here in the East and Tua was horrible. After watching for a while I set the DVR to record and went to sleep. It didn't help - Baby-Tua was just as terrible on a recorded replay as he was on live TV.
you know the accomplishments against bama are low when Ree has to use highschool football results to tout O and his recruiting
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:16 am to GeauxTigerTM
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It's a myth that on this very site we were told not to talk highly of 10 win seasons under Miles because 10 wins in the age of 12 game schedules plus bowls games was nothing to rave about?
Under Miles
"any idiot can win 10 games at lsu"
"the only thing holding lsu back from winning titles is Miles"
" what we do against inferior teams is meaningless"
" miles is the reason we cant beat bama"
Under O
"winning 10 games is a great season"
" you can't expect O to win titles while saban is around "
" you cant expect LSU to beat bama"
" O is doing a great job at lsu. it doesnt matter that in 2017 and 2018 we were 2-5 against P5 teams that were good enough to not lose 5 or more games "
anyone claiming that the goalposts havent been moved for O is either lying or an idiot
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:36 am to Rickdaddy4188
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anyone claiming that the goalposts havent been moved for O is either lying or an idiot
I'd actually be happier if they'd simply give legit reasons for WHY the expectations are now different for Orgeron than they were for Miles. I'd hear them out. But pretending you and I and others have some sort of memory issue and can not remember year after year of the previous staff getting trashed for similar results is just kind of sad. Especially on a forum where we can LITERALLY go back and find post after post doing exactly that.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:38 am to GeauxTigerTM
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WHY the expectations are now different for Orgeron than they were for Miles.
They aren't. If Orgeron went 8-5 he would be fired.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:39 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Any true fan has the same expectations for O, as they did Miles. There’s no reason the fan base should expect anything less than contending for the playoffs. That means we likely can’t lose more than one game.
I'd actually be happier if they'd simply give legit reasons for WHY the expectations are now different for Orgeron than they were for Miles
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:43 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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It is not possible for a Head Coach to "meddle" with HIS team's offense (unless an OC has a Full-Control contract - E doesn't).
Orgeron's entire platform for being the coach at LSU was to hire the best coordinators and let his coaches coach. So far, on offense, he hasn't done this for the offense. He's never had a great offense as a head coach, so it would seem that he would want to let the guys he hires fix problems if he sees a problem instead of trying to do it himself.
You keep bringing up the drops last season. Here's a quote by Enmsinger before last season...
quote:
LSU's Ensminger explains his offensive philosophy; McMahon hired as special teams coach
GLENN GUILBEAU | USA TODAY NETWORK | 7:26 pm CST January 13, 2018
quote:
"The strength of our offense, in my opinion, right now is our receivers," Ensminger said at a press conference Thursday in which his promotion from tight ends coach to offensive coordinator was announced by head coach Ed Orgeron. "We have depth at wide receiver, which we haven't had in the last couple of years. So I believe this, we have to put three or four wide receivers on the field.
quote:
"I think we have to be an RPO (run-pass option) team. I think we have to be a more fastball team. I think we have to go no huddle. That's the direction we're going."
LINK
And people wonder why some us want to wait to see what the offense actually looks like on the field before just believing what's coming from the coaches in fall camp.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:44 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
there is a massive gap between asking no questions and neutering a part of your offense.
Needs to be repeated
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:44 am to CaptainPanic
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Any true fan has the same expectations for O, as they did Miles. There’s no reason the fan base should expect anything less than contending for the playoffs. That means we likely can’t lose more than one game.
Good luck on your revolving door of head coaches.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
Well, going after a qualified HC would be a nice start.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:46 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
Under Miles
"any idiot can win 10 games at lsu"
"the only thing holding lsu back from winning titles is Miles"
" what we do against inferior teams is meaningless"
" miles is the reason we cant beat bama"
Under O
"winning 10 games is a great season"
" you can't expect O to win titles while saban is around "
" you cant expect LSU to beat bama"
" O is doing a great job at lsu. it doesnt matter than in 2017 and 2018 we were 2-5 against P5 teams that were good enough to not lose 5 or more games "
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:48 am to CaptainPanic
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Well, going after a qualified HC would be a nice start.
LSU has had a shite load of head coaches who were "qualified" and none had a 90% win rate at LSU
In fact, the 130 or so FBS teams have had an infinite number of "qualified" HCS and none approached 90%+ winning percentage.
In fact, an "unqualified" HC is the best coach in the business right now.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 10:50 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
Well not all 130 FBS teams have the benefits that come with being at LSU. Located in a talent-rich state with practically zero in-state competitors for recruitment, surrounded by top of the line facilities, flushed with money & surrounded by other talent-rich states.
What other major programs can say the same?
What other major programs can say the same?
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:52 am to CaptainPanic
LSU is primed for a hell of a run this year. I don't see your point.
I know what your point is, but you would deny it.
I know what your point is, but you would deny it.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
My point is that expectations should be high this year. It’s the best chance at making a serious run at the postseason in years and settling for less should not be an option.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:56 am to Rickdaddy4188
Can you just go join a Kansas board already? Miles is gone and never coming back.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:56 am to CaptainPanic
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My point is that expectations should be high this year
They are. Everyone is saying this is a year we have to contend.
When 10-2 is the low acceptable record, people are expecting great things.
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