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re: Ed Ingram: We didn’t know what to do or who the block

Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by paladine36
Member since Feb 2013
1523 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:46 pm to
Moffitt is anything but a Joke.
Complacent? Most likely.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37058 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:47 pm to
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Shhhhh! Don’t tell mmcgrath that or he will get mad at you, ask for evidence, and then ignore the evidence. Just let that poor man be.

Says the guy who couldn't provide a single play when challenged. And there is one in those videos where Dec got beat on a play that resulted in a rush... not a sack, but a rush.

But go ahead and talk nonsense then run and hide again like you did yesterday.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 2:48 pm
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18304 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:49 pm to
Whole thing needs to be blown up… we need another a-hole like Nick in here to dictate, get rid of everyone… no more good ole boy network.
Posted by baytiger11
Member since Jul 2020
2277 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:52 pm to
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Say what you want.. But I think you guys hard on for O being a terrible coach is a little exaggerated, when it comes to Ingram statements. Like Bro, you're a 5th yr Senior!! Liam and Deculus as well. Blocking assignments I get. Max did say, willingly, that he slide a lot of protection the wrong way. But, being tired and out of shape... Like when do the players hold themselves accountable? You're not a freshman bruh. You're a Grown Man. Get off your arse and put in extra work. Like WTF..Its hard to accept those type of statements from a 5th year Sr. Nah bro!


Imo, You don’t go from starting 12 games as a true freshman, paving the way for Guice and CEH, winning the Joe Moore award, to being confused to the point you can’t buy your RB 2 yards, because you didn’t flip enough tires or run enough stadiums. Their bodies (Ingram and Deculus) have been NFL ready even if they aren’t playing like it.

It sounds like it’s between the ears for them right now. that’s on coaching. Whether it’s Peetz’s scheme, or Davis’s techniques, they need to all get on the same page, and fast. It’s the last position you want confusion at..
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37058 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:53 pm to
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So this is on brand for the Edward Orgeron dog and pony show currently known as the LSU football program.

Early in the game Ed Ingram totally missed a blitzing LB who was on the line. Ed looked right toward Shanahan whose man was going to the LSU right i.e. AWAY from Ingram. Instead of looking left to see the LB, Ingram went right toward the center. Incidentally, the RB on that play also let the LB run in untouched to sack Max who could have hit an open receiver. This crap from someone who has been around as much as Ingram is inexcusable. It is poor coaching.


that was a WTF moment. 3 guys were rushing to our right and 3 to the left. Right at the snap Ingram looked right and never looked left. one of the guys stunted on the right leaving 2 rushers. Ingram was never close enough to put a hand on either of them, yet still never looked left.

The RB I can excuse as it seemed like his vision could have been blocked by the left tackle.
Posted by Doby
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2014
2133 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:57 pm to
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But go ahead and talk nonsense then run and hide again like you did yesterday.


Lol. You’re just not worth the time. Feel how you want and see what you want. Deculus was on skates all night.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15365 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:58 pm to
This is what we get after off season, firing the OL coach, getting a new OC. Wow. Orgeron is next level idiotic.

Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
12022 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 2:58 pm to
I mean this is a complete and utter failure on the Coaches!!! 100%
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
18486 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 3:10 pm to
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no more good ole boy network.
At LSU? In Louisiana?
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
18486 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 3:12 pm to
Probably what happens when you’ve been here 20+ years. Perhaps he hangs it up when O gets canned.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
22725 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 3:32 pm to
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Dec got beat on a play that resulted in a rush.


Beat??? He got his arse handed to him, by a much smaller & lighter defensive end on that play. Just manhandled. What do you think is going to happen when he goes up against some these grown arse men in SEC play?

Secondly, you are downplaying like a rush/pressure is insignificant. It's not. Those are VERY significant especially when it completely disrupts the pocket & ultimate outcome of a play.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33150 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 3:46 pm to
Rabalais sounds like it will be blamed on the transition:

quote:

Just finished very candid Zoom with #LSU OG Ed Ingram. Said players who were injured on O-Line were tired and out of shape for UCLA game, and that the OL coach transition in the summer from Cregg to Davis was a problem because of different coaching techniques.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
22725 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:10 pm to
Kole Taylor completely whiffing while trying to block a blitzing CB on the backwards throw play.







Posted by sheek
New Albany, OH
Member since Sep 2007
44131 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:12 pm to
O resets his own shite show wafer mark.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
22725 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:36 pm to
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And there is one in those videos where Dec got beat on a play that resulted in a rush... not a sack, but a rush.


There are two examples of just how so wrong you are. Example #1.

1. Deculus gets beat badly. Max feels the backside pressure coming his way. Max rushes, doesn't set his feet, overthrows Kole Taylor for a costly interception.



2. 3rd & 4. Tigers are driving into UCLA territory down 7. Big 3rd down early in the game. Boutte ends up wide arse open underneath over the middle with a lot of potential room to run after the catch. RB Josh Williams is also open on the checkdown for a first down too. What happens? Deculus gets mauled by a smaller defensive end. Max feels the pressure, tries to force a tough throw into Bech & overthrows him. Tigers leave potential points on the field.



















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mmcgrath


You may want to bow out of this thread, take a break & regroup.
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
7805 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:48 pm to
Well the run blocking and pass protection sure the H wasn't the QB's fault
All these linemen are just to stupid to just block the guy in front of them the opposite direction the play is called to go. So many times they just lean on the defender being blocked by the lineman next to them and not even touch a defender right on their nose. I think they are scared, and they play that way. Not a mean bone on our line. Big problem
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:51 pm to
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Also said the OL was tired and not in shape.
holy shite this is getting embarrassing lol.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12660 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:52 pm to
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the blocking scheme and protection calls shouldn’t change based on the OL coach, correct? The schemes should be part of the offense that was installed over the spring. OL shouldn’t be learning an entirely new playbook just because the position coach is new.

The exact calls and terminology would likely change to a point, but that shouldn’t really be a big deal. As far as the actual execution, it’s the little things that change.

In the passing game, there are probably changes to the specific protections, reads, and assignments. The overall offensive scheme/play call will obviously determine whether it’s 5-, 6-, or 7-man protection. But stuff like blitz pickup, double-teams, chips on specific rushers, etc. will be somewhat driven by the OL coach’s philosophy. Hell, a lot of that stuff will change game-to-game based on film review.

In the zone running game it’s similar but probably less significant. Even though it’s simple “zone blocking” the OL coach is still going to influence technique. Again this is mostly about making sure the players know when to double team and when to get to the next level - similar to blitz pickup.

I think it’s probably the least impactful in the power running game since that involves very specific blocking assignments. But that’s not something we do much (if at all).

So.. yeah, I can see how Davis’ late arrival could impact our preparedness. At the same time, though, it’s not an excuse. The staff should be working to minimize the major changes knowing he’s coming to the party somewhat late, and the players should be capable of picking up whatever changes do occur. All of our starting OL are upperclassmen. Our center is a Harvard grad FFS.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33150 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:54 pm to
Well it’s a big problem we are relying on a Harvard transfer to play center.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12660 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:00 pm to
That may well be true. My point was that at a minimum, you would expect him to understand the scheme and assignments.

I do wonder, though, whether some of this is actually Ingram kicking himself specifically for missing assignments. Would like to see/hear the full interview to understand the context.
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