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re: Dropped 3rd strike at catcher's feet w/ 2 outs, bases loaded

Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:08 am to
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:08 am to
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And the wild thing about this is both of our catchers was rated as one of the best in the country out of high school. Both passed up MLB draft to come.

I’ve watched my share of high baseball. I’m not exaggerating when I say I’ve seen quite a few high school catchers who can frame and receive pitches better than Serna and Arrambide. Of course these high school players don’t have their offensive potential or arm strength, but both of these guys are poor in receiving pitches. They are awful at this level. The dropping of catchable pitches doesn’t show up on the stat sheet.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:09 am
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30760 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:14 am to
Which was the right instinctual play on a ball kicking out beyond the first base batters box damn near the line. He can’t see behind him. The pitcher wasn’t there yet. I have no idea where the runner at third was because they didn’t show it but that runner was to his back.
Of all the things to bitch about with our catchers, that play isn’t one of them.
He blocked the ball not letting it get past him and made the right decision and play. Go rewatch the play and get back to me.
Posted by pgaddxn
between here and there
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:19 am to
This is the correct response. Going to1st base is a lock in this instance.
Posted by sharkfhin
Water
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:21 am to
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think everyone was thinking this. But I'd have to imagine that exact scenario isn't practiced much of at all. In that moment, training kicks in. They dropped strike 3 and training/instinct says "dropped strike 3, throw runner out at first." Not an excuse, but I can see that being a reason over what we at home see as simple baseball IQ.

When it happened I asked my brother the same thing lol
I mean if it runs from him I get a throw having to be made but it didn't, it was near him, pick it up and touch home. No throw is best throw. Maybe nerves got him and wasnt sure where the runner was and made what he thought was best play. At least he is a freshman. Mental mistakes do upset coaches way more than a physical mistake. Glad it worked out.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:22 am
Posted by sharkfhin
Water
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:23 am to
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all the things to bitch about with our catchers, that play isn’t one of them.
sorry but in that situation your wrong. Everybody got their opinion tho. Go tigers
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30760 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:26 am to
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sorry but in that situation your wrong. Everybody got their opinion tho. Go tigers

I just rewatched the play about 10 minutes ago. I suggest you do the same thing before you make a dumbass of yourself. He was 10-12’ from the plate when he picked up the ball and facing the Tenn dugout. All his momentum took him that way. Don’t be a contrarian
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:35 am
Posted by sharkfhin
Water
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:28 am to
You have no idea what your talking about. He had plenty of time to touch home plate and not make a un needed throw to first. Plenty of time. This is how I know you never played baseball. The correct move was touch home plate at the time he picked up the ball.
Posted by sharkfhin
Water
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:29 am to
10 to 12" away this is how I know you never played or coached baseball the runner at 3rd was in his secondary just starting to advance to home. He was well over 65 ft from home. Yall wild. But okay bro.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:31 am
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
21521 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:31 am to
Wouldn't it be an automatic out anyway with 1st base occupied?
Posted by sharkfhin
Water
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6265 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:32 am to
Na it was 2 outs already.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30760 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:37 am to
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You have no idea what your talking about. He had plenty of time to touch home plate and not make a un needed throw to first. Plenty of time. This is how I know you never played baseball. The correct move was touch home plate at the time he picked up the ball.

I not only played at a high level, I also umped for about 20 years.
Posted by pgaddxn
between here and there
Member since Jul 2008
1477 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:37 am to
2 outs makes it legal but it becomes a force out. So no tag needed. In this instance we can’t know what the catcher knew at the time. Most likely he went with what a good coach would have taught him and threw it to 1st base for the easy/known out.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30760 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:39 am to
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10 to 12" away this is how I know you never played or coached baseball the runner at 3rd was in his secondary just starting to advance to home.

That was an inadvertent double type of the apostrophe. Go rewatch the play. I corrected it to read correctly. Stop proving yourself stupid
Posted by sharkfhin
Water
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6265 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:40 am to
Good for you then you should know in the situation he did NOT need to throw it to first. Simple communication by his pitcher or coach standing right there and some better awareness on the part of Serna would have easily touched home for 3 away.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30760 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:42 am to
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2 outs makes it legal but it becomes a force out. So no tag needed. In this instance we can’t know what the catcher knew at the time. Most likely he went with what a good coach would have taught him and threw it to 1st base for the easy/known out.

A catcher coming out of his squat just blocked a ball in the dirt and it kicks away from him about 10’ or so taking him towards the opposing team’s dugout at their park with the fans yelling with his back to the plate is going to do that exact same thing every single time. Major leagues or minor. Ignore that dumbass with the ThugU icon.
Posted by pgaddxn
between here and there
Member since Jul 2008
1477 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:47 am to
From 65’ away the average D1 player can cover this amount of distance in about 3 seconds or less. Keep in mind Serna would have to move to the ball pick it up and secure it and get back to the plate all within 3 seconds at most. Or he could move with his momentum, field the ball and throw it to first while seeing exactly where the runner is.

I get your conviction but this is a no brainer play. You throw it to 1st.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290878 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:52 am to
Nah, I’m 100% confident that I am right & your spewing casual takes here
Posted by friendlyobservation
Member since Mar 2024
5177 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:52 am to
I'm pretty sure this play isn't anywhere near as bad as it might've seemed. I think the ball bounced away so him getting the out at home was harder than it appeared so he just went for the easier route he felt in that situation. It seems boneheaded at first until you actually looked at the play again.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:53 am
Posted by CalRipkenJr
Denham Springs
Member since Jan 2007
1920 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:24 am to
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I get your conviction but this is a no brainer play. You throw it to 1st.


Except we have seen out catchers throw these balls to Jake Brown in the past! The correct play was to catch the pitch cleanly which was not difficult, however once dropped the correct play in this case was 100% to touch the plate on the way back to the 3B dugout!

Just cause it worked out doesn’t make it the right call!

It’s akin to starting Skenes vs Tulane in 2023, worked out but it still doesn’t make it right! Kinda like running across the interstate blindfolded, if you survive it doesn’t mean it was the right move!
Posted by sharkfhin
Water
Member since Sep 2008
6265 posts
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:28 am to
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however once dropped the correct play in this case was 100% to touch the plate on the way back to the 3B dugout!
be careful the armchairs and beat writers will come to tell your wrong
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 11:29 am
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