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re: "Doomed to always be a 2-loss team with Miles"

Posted on 11/8/09 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by LSUFroMan
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Posted on 11/8/09 at 9:54 pm to
I am and will always be happy with going 10-2 every season then having a couple off years and then having a great year
Posted by LSUFroMan
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Posted on 11/8/09 at 9:54 pm to
I am and will always be happy with going 10-2 every season then having a couple off years and then having a great year
Posted by Methuselah
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23350 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

Being 8-3 or 9-2 got Coach Mac fired

Wrong.

Charlie Mac's coaching record
Posted by TigerFan55555
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/8/09 at 10:07 pm to
Ok, i'm not one of the miles cant do anything right people, but I dont believe for one second that he is an elite 4-millon dollar a year coach, if he wants to make that kind of money he should be in the top two in the SEC every year...the trend some people are seeing is that Bama and Fl are going to run away with the conference the next few years...They (as well as I) believe that we need an elite coach to keep us in the top 2...(we still have ole miss and AR left) Now, I think miles is a great coach and an even better person, but this is about winning...I like Saban, thats no secret, he is a diciplinarian that does what ever it takes to have his team prepared to play and it shows, he's mean and tough and sharp as a razor and his players start to take over his personality over time... I know he'll never come back and thats fine, been over that, but there are many coaches out there waiting for their big chance and will work till they die to achieve the ultimate glory...I think Patterson of TCU and kelly from Cinncy are just two...Miles loyalty (while I love that characteristic) is whats going to get him in trouble, I hate to say that because your suppose to teach that but loyalty is suppose to be earned and I believe that he gives it to everyone...some who havent earned it...Ala JJ...

I dont know why people are so optimistic about Jefferson, if you couldnt tell that that guy wanted no part of that game you are insane...A twisted ankle can be wrapped, put in air cast and, tapped etc....Play with some pain and balls for once...Now, ive wanted to see Jarrett Lee get his shot all year and he got it, didnt do anything with it, and I applaud Miles for leaving Lee in, he saw that JJ was scared too imo....That settles that...Les better find a quarterback that isnt scared to play in the "Big One" LSU shouldnt settle on mediocracey...LSU should have a damn good QB with all the recruits out there...(and if you noticed, Shep wasnt scared to play and ducked his head to run through the player close to the sideline) And perriloux was two years ago...so i dont want to hear that.....hiding the QB was miles intention from the beginning of the year b/c he knew he couldnt afford another 8-5 season but he could get by with 9-3, 10-2 and it be considered a success...he played for the record, not the championship...much like kiffin played for the scored in the florida game..You cant hide THE Quarterback,you cant do it and win Championships...Both players have had their chance...id like to see what shepp can do, Ive seen him throw, its not as good as JJ and Lee but I believe he could get the job done with the combo of his arm and his legs....get him stronger in the weight room and work on his throwing all spring and summer...

"you cant coach a kid out of being scared...you have to find a player that isnt scared and coach him up"..- The Bear...


quote:

I think we can all agree that Steve Spurrier is probably the greatest SEC coach in modern history

disagree
-Urban Meyer 2-National titles, and maybe a 3rd in 4 years?
quote:

Nick Saban,In his 7 full seasons in the SEC, he has lost less than 2 games in a season once. ONE time. Out of 7. Hell, he's only lost less than three games in a season twice out of 7.

Does this include him building TWO Major College Football Programs from Mediocracy to greatness?
This post was edited on 11/8/09 at 10:17 pm
Posted by RonDelDon
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2009
78 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 10:16 pm to
10-2 is good if you have a 10-2 or worst team. I think the problem most have with Miles is that LSU could be a 12-0 team or an 11-1 team playing for the national championships. When you look at the way LSU has played, even though the record is good, you have to know they should be much better. There are just some basic problems that I think speak to coaching problems. For example:

Russell Shephard
1. Everybody knew Shephard should have been getting more playing time. It seems like the LSU coach staff were the last ones to realize it. It wasn't even the LSU fans, but national figures such as Tim Brando and Lou Holtz could see.
2. The excuse is the Russell Shephard doesnt' know the plays. How in the world do you let someone of Shephard's talent enroll in school since January and not know the plays???
3. The lack of preparation given to Shephard. Shephard should have been getting quality touches much earlier in the season when LSU was playing some of the weaker teams on their schedule. Even at this late point in the season when LSU was playing Tulane he should have been grooming Shephard by giving him more touches.

I think Shephard would have seen substantial more playing time with any other college program in the nation, that includes Florida and Alabama. I focused a bit on Shephard but there have been numerous things such as these that give me pause about Miles even though LSU may finish 10-2, because I believe they are really a 12-0 or 11-1 team.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60711 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 10:19 pm to
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disagree
-Urban Meyer 2-National titles, and maybe a 3rd in 4 years?


Spurrier's overall resume at Florida >> the Meyers at the moment.
Posted by lsutiger2486
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6761 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 10:31 pm to
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that's fine and all, but do you really think Miles put our team in the best position to win that game?


Are you really going to fault Miles too much when we were winning late into the game and had lost at least three vital players to injury(Jefferson, Peterson, Scott)?

If you are consistey a 2 loss team you are only a one game swing to a highly possible NC in the SEC.
Posted by TigerWoody
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/8/09 at 10:35 pm to
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if you couldnt tell that that guy wanted no part of that game you are insane...A twisted ankle can be wrapped, put in air cast and, tapped etc....Play with some pain and balls for once
Do your homework...it has come out in the media today and was stated on air last night that JJ got his ankle wrapped and wanted back in the game. The coaches wanted to stick with JL for some reason...probably read the crap you bitches have been posting here week after week.
This post was edited on 11/8/09 at 10:35 pm
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4094 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 10:50 pm to
We don't have Julio Jones (not that he's that great), but we ran the same play with Tolliver and he could not stay on his feet. Julio could. We do not have Mark Ingram. We had a center controversy coming into the year (never heard of that before). When you say both centers may play, neither is very good. We overlooked the need for a quality lead blocker, but that issue looks like it has been addressed somewhat. Charles Scott was on his way to another 100 yard game, before he got injured. We have a sophomore QB who kept us in it and a young defense that played well. They will be much better next year and much more confident. The only question mark is who will be the running back. Next year will be our year, even against Florida.
This post was edited on 11/8/09 at 10:52 pm
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33374 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:00 pm to
Is Miles so much the softie that he will risk production for seniority? Is this what we are seeing with Shep?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:02 pm to
quote:

..going 10-2 is like kissing your sister...



One of two things:

a) your sister is frickING HOT AS shite and you're a perv

or

b) you're a spoiled rotten POS


frick YOU NEGATIGER SCUM, SUCK IT!


Love or leave it - there is only ONE
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4094 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:03 pm to
quote:

I like Saban, thats no secret, he is a diciplinarian that does what ever it takes to have his team prepared to play and it shows,

Saban didn't have his teams prepared to play in bowl games the last two seasons. He's conservative at best. Les Miles 1 National Title in 3 years. Saban 0. You can't compare Miles to Saban and then throw in Meyer's National Titles. He won one of those by beating a Saban coached Alabama. The same Alabama that lost to Utah last year. JJ is only a sophomore. Want to compare him to Jr. or Sr. Tebow, or Jr. McElroy. They've been in their respective systems longer. Tebow's first year was shared with Leak and it gave him the needed experience. Our biggest issue was Perilloux behavior. This would have been his senior season and none of this talk would exists about Lee or JJ. Enjoy your Saban love affair.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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32750 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:09 pm to
Carl, I agree with your post.

I think that there are only two truly elite coaches in college football (Meyer and Saban). Since Les is not in that category, people want LSU to upgrade, but that is essentially impossible since neither Saban nor Meyer are going to come here.

Whenever you ask someone to name the coaches who would do a better job than Les Miles, I always get a kick out of the list that is posted, especially when people unhappy with the current LSU offense mention Butch Davis.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4094 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:18 pm to
OK, you're engaging in hand-picking facts:

In 2000 at LSU, Saban was 8-4 (loss to Auburn, UAB, and FL)
In 2001 Saban was 10-3
In 2002 Saban was 8-5
In 2003 Saban was 12-1 (Lost to Florida 19-7) won title
In 2004 Saban was 9-4 and left for the Dolphins

Miles has won more games than Saban at LSU in a shorter amount of time. I believe it's time to move on. His bowl record at LSU was 3-2 (winning but barely). His bowl record at Alabama is currently 1-1. His bowls, the Independence (lowest of the low) and Sugar Bowl (loss against Utah).
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:24 pm to
quote:

Being a 10-2 team isn't bad if you don't mind waiting for Bama to have an off year to win the west.



You could flip that around. Bama benefited from us having an off year last year. Yesterday they benefitted from a couple of favorable calls and injuries to our key players. But that shite happens in college football. That's why it's retarded to take 2 seasons and try to see trends. But you can take 5 seasons. And the trend with Miles is that his teams usually win 10+ games, lose 2, and finish ranked somewhere in the top 5.


quote:

being the 3rd best team in the SEC



We are currently the 3rd best team in the SEC. But less than 2 years ago, we were the best team in both the SEC and the nation. And Florida was about 4th in the SEC that year. They lost 4 games with a Heisman Trophy winning QB. Less than 2 years ago. shite changes from year to year. But to act like losing 2 hard-fought, extremely close games in a row to Bama somehow means we are destined to forever finish behind them is retarded.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:32 pm to
quote:

in 2008 he was 8-0, 8-1.



I was talking about their overall record at the end of the year, not just the conference record.


quote:

The fear I have is not going 10-2 every year, but that 10-2 becomes the ceiling.


I hear ya, but any coach who can go 10-2 can go 11-1. It's just hard to do. Urban's making it look easy, but he's not available.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60711 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:38 pm to
quote:

9-4


9-3, but who's counting
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
62017 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:40 pm to
quote:

I think that there are only two truly elite coaches in college football (Meyer and Saban). Since Les is not in that category, people want LSU to upgrade, but that is essentially impossible since neither Saban nor Meyer are going to come here.



Very good point, and one I've made before. They are the only coaches that I know are better than Miles. And neither is available. And to me, I'm not sure the gap between them and Miles is so wide that I'd make that trade anyway. They are both pretty scum-baggy.



quote:

Whenever you ask someone to name the coaches who would do a better job than Les Miles, I always get a kick out of the list that is posted, especially when people unhappy with the current LSU offense mention Butch Davis.



LINK
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:43 pm to
quote:

I think that there are only two truly elite coaches in college football (Meyer and Saban).


People have no perspective.

Come on. Meyer has had a great run here. But his team will return to earth next year. Will they still be a damn good SEC team? Absolutely. But he's benefited from a couple of things:

1) The Dissolution of divisional foes. Tennessee, Georgia have been down.
2) The presence of a once-in-a-lifetime player. Tebow is that good beyond his physical skills, his intangibles and his ability to move the chains like a rb and throw the ball with enough consistency to keep teams off balance.

Before long, Strong is gonna leave (probably this year)... so there will be staff turnover. Even more importantly, Tebow is gone. Brantley may be a damn ridiculous passing QB, but he's not going to present the same dynamics to that offense Tebow did. Hell, they loss of Harvin has shown visibly on their offense this year... they aren't nearly as explosive or effective.

As far as Saban goes... Alabama was in the same talent spot LSU was when he got here. His teams will go down. They've been great as of late, but they'll run into walls.

The fact is, every coach goes in cycles. Is Miles among the elite? Hard to say. He's done some damned impressive things in his coaching tenure for people to argue otherwise (notably beating OU twice with vastly inferior talent while at OSU). Mike Gundy still hasn't done that in 5 years and his teams have been much better.

Stoops, Brown, Carroll, Meyer, Saban, Tressel, Rich Rod (even though he sucks right now), Miles... these guys are all very very good coaches with track records to prove.

And honestly, if you go into any fanbase during losses, they sound about the same as ours. USC's fans were sick to their stomachs after the arse beating they took last week. Did they want Carroll fired? No chance in hell. And he hasn't been as successful as Miles against lesser competition.

It's part of being a top dog - perfection is expected every year and it's just unrealistic. If we drop 2 more games this year, then we can start to worry.

Posted by rickyh
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Member since Dec 2003
12981 posts
Posted on 11/8/09 at 11:48 pm to
I looked up loser in the dictionary and your picture was there! Please find another team to hate.
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