re: Don't understand melt down over not hiring Herman...

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I hope that Herman succeeds at Texas

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Not gonna lie, hope he falls flat and Texas continues to struggle, sorry for the schadenfreude. I also am hoping for a big decline over at FSU and am not gonna wish Jimbo any success going forward. Sorry, I'm a nice dude except when it comes to sports rivals, and then I'm one miserable, grumpy son of a bitch.

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And Nick Saban's teams lose to UAB and ULM. Unqualified.

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How high were those Saban teams ranked? Or were they in the infancy of him turning around two programs?

Stop making excuses. There was no reason for Herman to have lost to those three teams.

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The guy sounds funny, no doubt, but at least he makes sense when he speaks, and it appears he realizes he is going to have to allow his coaches to do their jobs. I don't know what the guy's intellectual capabilities are, but he at leasts talks a good game in regards to having insight into his failures, and apparently his work ethic is unimpeachable, so for better or worse, here we are and I'm not worried about where we are yet.

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If there's ever a coach that feels like he has something to prove, it has to be Coach O. He may never say it in public, but you know he has to feel that way. He knows he'll be scrutinized to the highest degree, so I don't think he will fail due to stubbornness.

Fuking right he's another Flag Football coach that can't spell D. He will fail to make Tx relevant again. No way we get in bidding war for an unproven spread guy. I'd have waited a week or more for a Jimbo but not Herman

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I also am hoping for a big decline over at FSU and am not gonna wish Jimbo any success going forward.

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I understand what you are saying, but I don't see FSU declining. Even with their usually automatic kicker having an off night, their special teams giving UF a TD, their QB turning the ball over multiple times, etc., they still overcame all of that and beat Florida by 18. Florida hasn't scored an offensive TD against them since 2014. Not that UF is the best team, but still... FSU is a young team that is just going to get better.

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Oregon is about to fire Helfrich who was their OC and got promoted without any HC experience. Now Oregon is a bottom tier team in the PAC-12.

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Just a few years earlier, Oregon also promoted their previous OC, without any HC experience. Chip Kelly did OK.

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Not sure how Herman fixes his defense unless he makes a run at Aranda.

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I'm guessing Todd Orlando is going with him. He's no slouch.

Worth pointing out that Strong is a defensive guy. So there's two ways to look at it:
1. Herman's ego is not a problem and he lets the expert (Orlando) do what he needs to do.

2. Herman lacks the defensive expertise to fix that problem, because of pressure and/or ego tightens his personal control as things gets worse and finds himself in a death spiral (exactly what I thought Miles was just into on the offensive side of the ball). Might have been Strong's problem. It can be two-fold: he gets in his own way because he's known for D and/or the rest of the areas suffer because he devotion of resources to that one area.

UT's defensive problem, in my opinion, lies mainly in recruiting. Herman/Orlando might be able to fix that. But like you said, TAMU (and TCU, Baylor, LSU, and OU) isn't going to make it easy. They have to expand their footprint significantly. Something Mack Brown failed to do based on the [incorrect] assumption he would always have the pick of the TX litter. Is a TX guy who dreams of coaching in TX for Texas going to be able to do that? meh

I watched a couple of UT games this year, so not enough to draw conclusions but enough 'to get a feel'.

And yeah, I saw some pretty good and variable offense with the worst special teams of all times and a defense that tried to rely on one or two studs every play so they looked like they always were hoping someone else could do something. They had their moments, but couldn't sustain anything.

I mentioned variable on the offense. I was actually jealous. Sometimes they'd pound the rock with Foreman, next thing you know Swopes is in, and rarely as a decoy (in the mean time Buechele has 5 people around him going over adjustments on the sideline). Then there's 4 WRs and deep shot. Then 2 deep shots in a row to the same guy, then same formation and Foreman runs up the middle with Swopes blocking like a FB for a first down.

Then other times, both sides of the ball (players and coaches) just seemed like they could give two shits about what was going on around them.

Never seen anything like it outside high school football really.

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I have a couple names I wish had gotten looks: Mike MacIntyre and PJ Fleck. I prefer defensive guys as HCs so other than Fleck my list was short.

Noting I'm not saying they should have been chose over CEO, just saying I wish they had been in the discussion or interest guaged (which for all we know, it was and they showed no interest).

ETA: I like Willie Taggert too, would've been interesting to hear how that interview went. But not the right time or place for him at LSU.

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I'm glad to see you threw out some names for consideration. So many who complain about hiring Coach O don't make an argument supporting anyone else other than Fisher or Herman. You also made the observation in passing (the first I've seen make this observation): We DON'T KNOW what all went went on behind closed doors. All we know is what has been "reported." For all we know, there may well have been (actually, I'll bet there were MANY) more possibles than Fisher, Herman and Orgeron.. Negotiations are done behind closed doors (and are NOT public information) unless one or more parties leaks the discussions to further their case.

I'll admit that when Coach Orgeron was named Interim, I was not excited about him possibly becoming the HC. OTOH, I warmed up to him some after researching him and finding of the demons he's battled and defeated. I really warmed up after seeing how well he managed the emotions of his team (as if anyone can manage the emotions of 19-21 year old boys). Yeah, the team laid a turd for the FL game, but we all know a team sometimes doesn't perform as they've been coached to. Given the circumstances going into the A&M game, a lot of coaches would've been unable to motivate their team. I soured on Herman I perceived LSU was being used in a bidding war against UT; I never really felt he wanted to be at LSU. I may be wrong, but I think but being HC of LSU is Coach O's lifetime dream.