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re: Does Les Miles still have detractors within the fan base?
Posted on 8/19/12 at 10:57 pm to blackjackjackson
Posted on 8/19/12 at 10:57 pm to blackjackjackson
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one day in the far away future, we might hear more of the story, but, it is much bigger than just jj. miles has a lot more to handle than you can imagine. be greatful that we have les handling something that kills other teams. it is MUCH bigger than jj.
I'm still amazed something hasn't come out on that situation. Seems like a parent, sibling, relative or GF would have said something. Les was treating JL was a freshman with no experience.
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Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:12 pm to inadaze
I won't lie, I was a bit critical of him for the first part of the '10 season, but since the UF win that season I have been all in. My main issue with him at the time was not getting rid of Crowton after the '09 season. The only downside I can really see with Miles is he can loyal to a fault.
But the man wins. In 7 years he has 2 SEC titles and National Title. Sure the game in January sucks, but I have long since gotten over that.
One thing I will say, reading some of the comments by his detractors in this thread, the more I am amazed he didn't go to Michigan after the '10 season. The man has the highest winning percentage in the history of LSU football to go along with five 11+ win seasons in just 7 years.
And for those that think the almighty Saban doesn't screw up, take a look at his loss to UAB or ULM.
I for one think he is best the coach in the history of LSU.
I also wonder how many of his detractors were around to jump up and down and get excited about an Independence Bowl birth
But the man wins. In 7 years he has 2 SEC titles and National Title. Sure the game in January sucks, but I have long since gotten over that.
One thing I will say, reading some of the comments by his detractors in this thread, the more I am amazed he didn't go to Michigan after the '10 season. The man has the highest winning percentage in the history of LSU football to go along with five 11+ win seasons in just 7 years.
And for those that think the almighty Saban doesn't screw up, take a look at his loss to UAB or ULM.
I for one think he is best the coach in the history of LSU.
I also wonder how many of his detractors were around to jump up and down and get excited about an Independence Bowl birth
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:27 pm to Tiger Live2
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My main issue with him at the time was not getting rid of Crowton after the '09 season. The only downside I can really see with Miles is he can loyal to a fault.
The only time I thought it might be time to go was after 2010 season and before he let Crowton go. Had he kept him no way we win 13 and I would have decided his loyalty trumped what he owes the club too much.
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And for those that think the almighty Saban doesn't screw up, take a look at his loss to UAB or ULM.
Though he tried hard with Troy, so far so good.quote:
The man has the highest winning percentage in the history of LSU football to go along with five 11+ win seasons in just 7 years.
2005-2011 3rd highest in nation
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:29 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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I've often wondered how much a factor team chemistry and the guys wanting JJ back in (rightly or wrongly) played in CLM's decision to replace Zach as 2nd string with JJ after his reinstatement.
ding, ding, ding......
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:31 pm to blackjackjackson
We'll probably never know with certainty...but if I had to guess that would be it. Then after Jarrett's deer-in-the-headlight look...that sealed the deal.
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:33 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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The only time I thought it might be time to go was after 2010 season and before he let Crowton go
I was getting a little worried then, but luckily Maryland bailed us out. But by that point I was back on board considering he somehow led us to 11 wins with that horrible offense
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Had he kept him no way we win 13 and I would have decided his loyalty trumped what he owes the club too much.
very fair statement. I certainly agree we don't win 13 with Crowton. Hard to argue with the second part. Loyal to a fault sometimes.
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Though he tried hard with Troy, so far so good.
I almost mentioned that, but yea somehow we won. I'm just glad I was in VA at the time and it wasn't on TV. Didn't have to watch it(then have to buy a new TV by the 3rd quarter)
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:36 pm to inadaze
p.s. (somewhat off topic, but tangentally related, anyway)
there was a post about what lsu would have done IF ryan perrilloux would have been our qb in 08 and 09.
there was almost 100% agreement that lsu could have won one and maybe two n.c.
then, the negamiles turds would have still wanted him fired, but, the bad years were b/c of the quality of les miles pulling the quality of lsu up to the highest standards ever.
but, negaturds want to blame les 100%...even tho they KNOW that les HAD to let rp go.
if les can tell rp's mom, rp, tm and any nc chances to kiss his arse, he sure as shite don't care what negaturds say.
there was a post about what lsu would have done IF ryan perrilloux would have been our qb in 08 and 09.
there was almost 100% agreement that lsu could have won one and maybe two n.c.
then, the negamiles turds would have still wanted him fired, but, the bad years were b/c of the quality of les miles pulling the quality of lsu up to the highest standards ever.
but, negaturds want to blame les 100%...even tho they KNOW that les HAD to let rp go.
if les can tell rp's mom, rp, tm and any nc chances to kiss his arse, he sure as shite don't care what negaturds say.
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:37 pm to RotorheadTiger
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Usually, my opinion of him drops throughout the season but in the offseason, I forgive and forget and by the first game, I really like the guy and am glad he's here. This has been the cycle every year, except this one. I know he doesn't owe me an explanation but I feel like there should be a little more explanation for the NC debacle than oops-we-dropped-one. Seems like he just shrugged it off. Hope I'm still entitled to my own opinion.
BINGO!!! He should tell us WTF we all saw in Jan 12 and why that happened, and not shrug it off. He is a fine guy, coach, recruiter, etc... but if he worked for me he would have had to explain to the fan base who pays me to see a good product. If not a good enough excuse, he would have been canned.
WHat if JJ makes no first downs in one half like we eventually saw, but we get 4 int for TD's and then he makes like 3 first downs in the second half and we score on a couple of punts, and we score on one more fumble. Score is 49-7 with 3 first downs. If anyone takes that kind of crap they are kidding themselves and delusional because when a team like Bama would come calling that kind of outcome would be highly unlikely.
Well, it did unfold similar to that and we looked like shite that night. Les Miles should have explained. I would have called him out to know why and for all my fans/customers to also know why.
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:38 pm to inadaze
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Does Les Miles still have detractors within the fan base?
Yes
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Have they changed their position because of the overwhelming amount of wins the past 2 years?
Most have
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:39 pm to blackjackjackson
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IF ryan perrilloux would have been our qb in 08 and 09.
there was almost 100% agreement
I'm 100% confident we wouldn't have gone 17-9...friggin RP.
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:42 pm to Tiger Live2
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I was getting a little worried then,
Man, I was a lot worried. As bad as some the seasons in the 90's were, the 2010 edition was simply painful to watch. They looked like a top 10 club against UA and A&M but by and large, I kept the Tylenol close by.
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:51 pm to Oyster
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I'd love to hear the honest truth about his infatuation with JJ.
it's less about love for JJ than it is about lack of faith in Lee.
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:58 pm to inadaze
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How/when did he lose you?
Could he win you back? If so, what would it take?
Not calling a timeout against Ole Miss in "09.
No, he can not win me back. That ship sailed with his '10 Tenn arse clownery.
Posted on 8/19/12 at 11:59 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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I'm 100% confident we wouldn't have gone 17-9...friggin RP.
That might be the safest bet in history. Especially after seeing his first pass last night with the Giants.
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Man, I was a lot worried. As bad as some the seasons in the 90's were, the 2010 edition was simply painful to watch. They looked like a top 10 club against UA and A&M but by and large, I kept the Tylenol close by.
That was the most painful offense to watch. With the exception of the Auburn game, and maybe the A&M game, I felt more comfortable with the defense on the field. And Cam was the reason I listed the Auburn game
Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:10 am to Tiger Live2
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And Cam was the reason I listed the Auburn game
Oh yeah, no doubt. And that reminds me...CLM hasn't blown a 24 point lead yet has he?
Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:28 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Oh yeah, no doubt. And that reminds me...CLM hasn't blown a 24 point lead yet has he?
I will say in Saban's defense, it took a once in a lifetime type player to make that come back, and our offense 08 and '10 were not getting 24 point leads on a team that is even capable of making that comeback.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 1:43 am to inadaze
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Back in 2009 there were a large percentage of fans that wanted him out.
Lets see...LSU ranked 5th in the nation in wins among BCS programs from 05 to 09.
Sounds bout right that "a large percentage of fans" would want him out.
I wonder what LSU football that "large percentage of fans" watched from 1975 to 1999 when LSU ranked like 35th in wins to want a HC producing a ranking of #5 in wins in his career to that point out?
Sometimes I have to wonder how some of our fans are able to find their way home after their work day is over.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 3:00 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Lets see...LSU ranked 5th in the nation in wins among BCS programs from 05 to 09.
Sounds bout right that "a large percentage of fans" would want him out.
I wonder what LSU football that "large percentage of fans" watched from 1975 to 1999 when LSU ranked like 35th in wins to want a HC producing a ranking of #5 in wins in his career to that point out?
Sometimes I have to wonder how some of our fans are able to find their way home after their work day is over.
I think those fans you're referring to sometimes have to wonder how CLM finds his way to the correct sideline. I kid, I kid.
Honestly, from a results standpoint, I don't see any room for complaint. He's had some pretty horrific blunders, but the amount of victories render them almost insignificant in the long run. Is there some luck involved? Seemingly so (see Auburn '07, Tennessee '10), but sometimes I don't think Miles gets enough credit for his positive attributes - how hard his players play for him, recruiting, etc.
The time I felt most uneasy about Miles was at Ole Miss in 2009. And again, I can live with the clock management errors. Every coach is going to make mistakes. But, if what he said in the post game was a lie, that is a much deeper character flaw. I don't know if he was purposefully lying and putting the blame on JJ, but that's what it seemed like.
If not for that issue, I would have no hesitation about CLM. I still support him, as I will any LSU coach. But I've never been able to resolve that one. Winning is important, but for me, it's even more important to win the right way. I admire coaches like Tom Osborne and Bill Snyder. I think they do it the right way. Not saying Miles doesn't, but that particular incident remains questionable to me. Even if it weren't CLM's fault, he should have taken the blame as the leader, and saved his young QB from taking the heat IMO. But if it was an outright lie, that's just unacceptable.
This post was edited on 8/20/12 at 7:16 am
Posted on 8/20/12 at 5:51 am to inadaze
quote:When he did not coach against bama in the CS game. He did not coach to win .
Does Les Miles still have detractors within the fan base?
How/when did he lose you?
Posted on 8/20/12 at 5:59 am to inadaze
Can't decide whether I love him or hate him. Most days I'm somewhere in the middle. He is always entertaining and gives us something to talk about. Didn't he have some kind of brain issue earlier in his life?
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