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re: Does Les Miles still have detractors within the fan base?
Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:04 pm to inadaze
Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:04 pm to inadaze
This thread is just asking for all the resident mongoloids to come out and show their ignorance. I can MAYBE understand being skeptical after the NC game. Those that think he should be fired/isn't doing a good job are irrational, and do this fanbase and university a disservice. End of story.
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Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:32 pm to VC
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Whether you like the guy or not
I doubt very many people on this board even know him personally well enough to make an informed decision to like him or not. All most of us have to go by is his public persona, and for the most part, that is likable.
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you cannot ignore what he has done at LSU...and is the winningest coach in history, and a high character guy. He has lost a total of 1 single game ooc in his 7 years at LSU...and that was a game they probably don't lose if played on a decent field
True. His record of performance is very good. Especially significant about that is that, after the two relatively down years in 2008 and 2009, he was able to turn it around with great seasons in 2010 and 2011, and appears to be set for another great one in 2012.
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It amazes me that there are people out there that still find fault.
I think everybody finds fault with some things he does. But there's a difference between finding fault in specific actions and making an overall negative judgment. He can be a good coach and still make mistakes. It's OK to point those out and still agree he's doing well overall.
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Yes, the NC game was a head scratcher...and I don't like the fact that he never owned up to making many mistakes in that game..
The NC game was frustrating, no doubt. I don't care what he admits publicly about it, as long as he learns from whatever mistakes he made and implements those lessons in the future. I suspect that most of the problems in that game resulted from the month leading up to the game, and only a little from strategic decisions during the game. Our team spent a month listening to everyone telling them how great they were, and with ESPN following them around and reporting on every minute detail of their lives. It was a lot of distraction for a relatively young team and they didn't handle it well. How much of that is his responsibility is something we can't really tell from the outside.
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If things go as planned and as I honestly expect, this will be the best LSU team in LSU history, and LSU will be playing for the NC for the 3rd time in his 8 years, with his 4th West Title, 3rd SEC Title, and 6th top 10 finish in 8 years....as well as a record of approximately 89-18....88-19 at the worst.....yeah, people who criticize that are idiots.
I honestly expect the 2012 season to go very well, too, and I think we have a great chance to win the NC. If that comes to pass, I doubt you'll find many who will criticize it.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:41 pm to RotorheadTiger
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I know he doesn't owe me an explanation but I feel like there should be a little more explanation for the NC debacle than oops-we-dropped-one.
You're right, he doesn't owe us an explanation, and yes, we would all probably want to know what went wrong. But would it really help to know that? If Les Miles sat down and personally explained to me everything that led to that loss, I don't know that it would make me feel any better about it. It was a shitty game, and it doesn't really matter why. All I can do is look forward to the next one.
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Seems like he just shrugged it off.
I'd rather he do that than dwell on it. I doubt he just filed it away and forgot about it, and I am sure he and the team are using it for motivation for this year. But I'm glad they (at least publicly) are looking forward and not backward.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:48 pm to inadaze
He won everyone over last year.
And then he went with Jefferson, didn't game plan for the NC game, and gave up in the 3rd quarter without trying anything different.
The NC game was a travesty that undid a ton of goodwill he had earned.
And then he went with Jefferson, didn't game plan for the NC game, and gave up in the 3rd quarter without trying anything different.
The NC game was a travesty that undid a ton of goodwill he had earned.
This post was edited on 8/20/12 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:49 pm to Guava Jelly
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You honestly think JL would have saved that game for us? You're lying to yourself.
People will no doubt debate this for years, but I don't think it's relevant. The point is that what we were doing wasn't working, and it seemed obvious long before the end of the game that it wasn't going to work. At that point, if you have any other option (no pun intended), even one you don't think will work, there's no reason not to try it. But coaches differ on that philosophy, and all they can do is go with what they think gives the best chance to win, even though sometimes they might be wrong about what that is. We'll never know if Miles was wrong in that situation because we didn't get to see what would have happened if we'd tried something different. If he'd started Lee in the 2nd half and he threw a pick-six, then he'd be second-guessed for not leaving Jefferson in the game.
This post was edited on 8/20/12 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/20/12 at 12:55 pm to Nuts4LSU
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We'll never know if Miles was wrong in that situation because we didn't get to see what would have happened if we'd tried something different.
Someone explain to me how we are a top-ranked team in August if we are QB'd by a guy who wasn't good enough in January to get a shot when the starter was playing so poorly.
If Mett is as good as everyone says he is, Miles f'd up by not having him as an option (if he really had no confidence in Lee) in January.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 1:00 pm to inadaze
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the 24 wins in the last 2 years is the most ever in a 2 year span
Yes, but so is the 27 games we've played in that span. The record of 24-3 (.889) is not quite as good as the record of 19-2 (.905) in 1958-59 and is comparable to the record of 19-2-1 (.886) in 1961-62.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 1:10 pm to blackjackjackson
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there was a post about what lsu would have done IF ryan perrilloux would have been our qb in 08 and 09.
there was almost 100% agreement that lsu could have won one and maybe two n.c.
We could have had Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach and Tim Tebow all rolled into one and we wouldn't have won the NC in 2008. That defense was just terrible. There was really only one game that year (Alabama) that we lost but probably would have won with Perrilloux. You could maybe also argue Ole Miss and Arkie, but we gave up 31 those games, too. He wasn't going to put up 50+ on Florida or Georgia even if he were still around to try.
As for '09, yes, maybe if we had Perrilloux we would have been in the mix for the NC, but that was also the year that the SEC was making sure Florida and Alabama stayed undefeated until the SECCG, so there would have been no guarantee then, either.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 2:00 pm to DrD
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reminds me of Dale Brown in his prime as LSU's basketball coach
That's a good comparison. Except I think Dale had more loyalty/support from the fan base during his tenure. I hope Les's reign ends better than Daddy Dale's did.
For whatever reason Les hasn't been able to shake his negative stigma with some of the fans. I think he would have won over a large portion of the detractors if we had won (or at least put up a good fight) on 1/9. But all in all I like him. If I had a choice between him and Saban I'd still pick Saban but I/we don't have that choice. I don't think that there are very many coaches out there that could do any better than what Les has done for us. For those that don't like him, who would you rather have?
Posted on 8/20/12 at 2:38 pm to Nuts4LSU
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As for '09, yes, maybe if we had Perrilloux we would have been in the mix for the NC, but that was also the year that the SEC was making sure Florida and Alabama stayed undefeated until the SECCG, so there would have been no guarantee then, either.
thanks, actually, i always hold into account the slive factor.
the sec/slive cheat factor has always been another lsu opponent that les has to overcome.
i've heard no one say it yet: but, was the sec/slive/alabama cheat factor IN for the 1/9/12 game???
Posted on 8/20/12 at 3:09 pm to blackjackjackson
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i always hold into account the slive factor.
the sec/slive cheat factor has always been another lsu opponent that les has to overcome.
I don't go that far. In 2009, it definitely was there, and LSU and Arkansas both got raw deals because of it. There were terrible calls against LSU in both of its games against Florida and Alabama, and Arkansas had their game with Florida outright stolen from them. Aside from that, and the 2006 Auburn game (which I don't think was an SEC thing, but just an Auburn thing with one or two officials), I don't think there's been any agenda to cheat LSU.
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was the sec/slive/alabama cheat factor IN for the 1/9/12 game???
I doubt it, but we'll never know because Alabama didn't need any help in that game beyond what we gave them.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 3:19 pm to ctiger69
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See my signature
You need an 'n' after 'know' for your sig to be correct. Why am I not surprised?
Posted on 8/20/12 at 3:19 pm to uway
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Someone explain to me how we are a top-ranked team in August if we are QB'd by a guy who wasn't good enough in January to get a shot when the starter was playing so poorly.
If Mett is as good as everyone says he is, Miles f'd up by not having him as an option (if he really had no confidence in Lee) in January.
Well, those 8 months have been significant. Not only does Mettenberger have a lot more reps as the starter in practice than he had then, but we've also had time to change and adapt our offensive plans around his abilities. At the time of that game, none of that had happened. It's more complicated than just plugging him in and letting him go.
Remember that in 2005 we had a great QB who led us to a top-5 finish, but hadn't been good enough to take the starting job from Marcus Randall the previous year. In 2001, we won an SEC championship and a BCS bowl with a quarterback who hadn't been able to beat out Josh Booty the previous year.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 4:10 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Remember that in 2005 we had a great QB who led us to a top-5 finish, but hadn't been good enough to take the starting job from Marcus Randall the previous year. In 2001, we won an SEC championship and a BCS bowl with a quarterback who hadn't been able to beat out Josh Booty the previous year.
Uh oh. You just made the Saban-ites go tilt...and strangely quiet. I think I like it.
Posted on 8/20/12 at 5:14 pm to inadaze
Was just at the gas station. Two kids were behind me discussing if eachother thinks LSU will win a championship. First kid says never, other kid laughs and says at least not while miles is still here. I just blame the dads. These guys were prob 15-17 years old. If anyone firgets we won a championship last year.
First it was he has to atleast feild a team that competes for the west and a trip to ATL. Now he has to win a bcs championship every year. I expect us to win next year, but then see a drop off because we could lose a lot of guys on d and lose a few rbs.
First it was he has to atleast feild a team that competes for the west and a trip to ATL. Now he has to win a bcs championship every year. I expect us to win next year, but then see a drop off because we could lose a lot of guys on d and lose a few rbs.
Posted on 8/21/12 at 4:13 pm to dgnx6
Yes. I'm still bothered by the lack of prep for the NC game. Also season altering turmoil before the last two seasons may have something to do with his leadership. Let's throw in two seasons that would have been perfect under Saban that were not under Miles. LSU will always be my favorite team but Saban is still my favorite coach followed by Miles.
Posted on 8/21/12 at 4:26 pm to LsuNav
Miles will always have detractors that's what Rantards deaux!
Posted on 8/21/12 at 4:48 pm to LsuNav
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Let's throw in two seasons that would have been perfect under Saban
You're kidding right? Please tell me....wait...you're serious aren't you? Saban never had a perfect season here and in fact, averaged 3.2 losses per year here yet you assume he would have gone undefeated twice had he stayed? Biased much?
Posted on 8/21/12 at 4:55 pm to LsuNav
For a guy who can't finish a complete sentence without makin it sound like a riddle, at 5M per, he's doing REALLY well for himself
Posted on 8/21/12 at 4:55 pm to geauxjo
The NC game was a total nationwide embarrassment. In the 3rd, we were going to loose if we kept doing what we were doing. Nothin from nothin is nothin. He should have tried out lee or mett. As it stood, we were going to loose. At least try something else. I'm through with miles. Appreciate what he's done.
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