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re: Does javi deserve credit for this geat LSU offense?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:03 am to GFunk
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:03 am to GFunk
quote:Please point out where I said he did. Thanks.
I know Javy didn't offer Bregman to start @ SS & hit in the 3-Hole, so lets just pump the brakes a wee bit there.
quote:LaMarche was not mentioned in this thread that I've seen. I was referring to Laird and Bregman, both true freshmen who WERE recruited by Javi.
I also know Lamarche wasn't a Javy recruit. Most of-if not all-of the pitchers are not.
quote:He "absolved" Javi from his recruiting responsibilities? Link, please?
Maineiri himself completely eliminated the ability for any rational, logical mind to give Javy Sanchez credit for recruiting and coaching prowess when he completely and utterly absolved him from both responsibility and accountability last year.
Gawd, I LOVE the Rant. I post a factual statement which is answered by irrelevant or incorrect statements.
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Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:05 am to josh336
yeah he taught bregman how to hit in 1 day and Jacoby Jones just won't listen to Javi's genius
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:31 am to Maximus
Javi is the greatest hitting coach in the history of baseball.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:39 am to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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Please point out where I said he did. Thanks.
You didn't. You were talking about Freshman. Bregman is a Freshman. I spoke specifically about him because you did. Are you saying that Javy was the reason we signed him? Please, tell me more.
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LaMarche was not mentioned in this thread that I've seen. I was referring to Laird and Bregman, both true freshmen who WERE recruited by Javi.
I stand corrected. I apologize. He's a JUCO.
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He "absolved" Javi from his recruiting responsibilities? Link, please?
Do you not remember that we no longer have a recruiting coordinator because it was "unnnecessary"? Do you really, honestly not realize that was done with the intent of protecting Mr. Sanchez?
But beyond that, you roll out the "link please" response as if Maineiri came out and said, "I know people are whining about our sh!teous talent and inability to hit. These changes are designed to protect my Godson and his future employability," for the media?
Again, if you take away his title of recruiting coordinator, and then say its not coaching but talent that produces hitters or non-hitters, then what exactly can you credit Javy for? You tell me. You're the one that brought it up.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:45 am to GFunk
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One cannot shield him from blame last year only to bestow accoaldes on him this year.
If they can either hit or not hit, why is Javi a coach?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:46 am to GFunk
quote:Javi is the coach who went to Albuquerque to watch Bregman play in high school and who offered the partial scholly to Bregman, so you tell me.....
Are you saying that Javy was the reason we signed him?
quote:No, but I do remember that when Dunn arrived Mainieri divided the recruiting between pitchers and position players. Dunn handles recruiting pitchers and Javi takes the lead on recruiting position players.
Do you not remember that we no longer have a recruiting coordinator because it was "unnnecessary"?
quote:See above.
if you take away his title of recruiting coordinator
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:49 am to GFunk
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Do you not remember that we no longer have a recruiting coordinator because it was "unnnecessary"? Do you really, honestly not realize that was done with the intent of protecting Mr. Sanchez?
Just because there is not one person with the title "recruiting coordinator" doesn't mean that one person (Javi) doesn't do a lot of the scouting of prospects. Recruiting coordinator is more of an administrative thing anyway. And BTW, Javi never was the recruiting coordinator anyway, it was never taken away.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 8:51 am
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:52 am to GFunk
So, When the hitting is lacking, it's all Javi's fault; when the hitting is productive, it has nothing to do with Javi. What kind of logic/reasoning is that?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:53 am to Ldrake53
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So, When the hitting is lacking, it's all Javi's fault; when the hitting is productive, it has nothing to do with Javi. What kind of logic/reasoning is that?
The same logic that applies to most LSU coaches according to the Rant.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:54 am to TigerCub
quote:This.
The same logic that applies to most LSU coaches according to the Rant.
See my sig quote......
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:56 am to Ldrake53
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So, When the hitting is lacking,
it's all Javi's fault;
Mainieri said it himself:
"They either can hit or they can't"
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What kind of logic/reasoning is that?
Yeah, I dunno. Ask the coach.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:59 am to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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Javi is the coach who went to Albuquerque to watch Bregman play in high school and who offered the partial scholly to Bregman, so you tell me.....
Probable 1st round draft pick...Lemme tell ya. A real diamond in the rough! Can't believe he found him. A veritable needle in a haystack to be sure ;-)
Again, you're completely ignoring the fact that Maineiri took the recruiting responsibility/title away from him. He then took away the responsibility of Sanchez for our hitting performances and blamed it on talent.
So if he's not coordinating our recruiting, and we know Sanchez didn't exactly "uncover an unknown" in a guy who was playing for USA Baseball since the age of 14, and his head coach told us that its PLAYERS and not coaching that are responsible for his other actual job title, then what can you give him credit for?
If hitting wasn't his fault last year when it was bad, how can it be because of him this year when its good?
This isn't me that's dreamed this up. This is Maineiri's statements to the media last year. You explain it bro.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 9:00 am
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:03 am to GFunk
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Probable 1st round draft pick...Lemme tell ya. A real diamond in the rough! Can't believe he found him. A veritable needle in a haystack to be sure ;-)
Again, you're completely ignoring the fact that Maineiri took the recruiting responsibility/title away from him. He then took away the responsibility of Sanchez for our hitting performances and blamed it on talent.
So if he's not coordinating our recruiting, and we know Sanchez didn't exactly "uncover an unknown" in a guy who was playing for USA Baseball since the age of 14, and his head coach told us that its PLAYERS and not coaching that are responsible for his other actual job title, then what can you give him credit for?
If hitting wasn't his fault last year when it was bad, how can it be because of him this year when its good?
This isn't me that's dreamed this up. This is Maineiri's statements to the media last year. You explain it bro.
Dude you are making stuff up now. Javi was NEVER the recruiting coordinator. Grewe was and once he left the position ceased to exist. And who do you think is scouting the position players that we sign? Dunn? Do you think Mainieri is traveling to all these tournaments and showcases?
Hate on Javi if you want for his skills as a hitting coach. I don't care. But don't make stuff up.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:15 am to Ldrake53
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Ldrake53
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So, When the hitting is lacking, it's all Javi's fault;
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"Kids can either hit, or they can't."
Paul Maineiri
The head coach says that its not Javy's fault at all. So no, I disagree with you. Its not his fault.
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when the hitting is productive, it has nothing to do with Javi.
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"Kids can either hit, or they can't."
Paul Maineiri
Once again, I have to agree with Maineiri. He's forgotten more baseball than I'll ever know. Are you saying you disagree?
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What kind of logic/reasoning is that?
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"Kids can either hit, or they can't."
Paul Maineiri
You tell me. I didn't say it. The head coach did.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:17 am to GFunk
quote:He didn't take recruiting responsibility away from Sanchez. You can keep repeating it but it will still be wrong every time you repeat it. YOU are the one ignoring facts. What is your agenda for doing that?
you're completely ignoring the fact that Maineiri took the recruiting responsibility/title away from him.
At every September Coaches Committee meeting when the first year players are introduced, Javi is the one who is credited with identifying and signing the position players. He takes the lead in introducing each position player.
Dunn does the talking when it comes to introducing the incoming pitchers.
quote:You will have to argue those points with someone else. I have not mentioned hitting coach responsibilities any where in this thread. I replied to the poster who asked what positives could be said about Sanchez and I mentioned his recruiting successes.
If hitting wasn't his fault last year when it was bad, how can it be because of him this year when its good?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:25 am to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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At every September Coaches Committee meeting when the first year players are introduced, Javi is the one who is credited with identifying and signing the position players.
At every Meet-The-Freshman Gridiron event, Miles introduces them [Freshman football players]. Frank Wilson is usually credited on NSD. Does that mean people weren't actually here concerned about the GA-type we had who left for Arizona State who broke down all the film and did all the initial evals on kids, even though he had no six-figure salary?
Wait...You mean to tell me that-SHOCK OF SHOCKS-sometimes coaches are given credit for things that they didn't actually do*?
*-Disclaimer: I'm not saying Miles or Wilson aren't great recruiters. Just saying that no man is a one-man-band.
But I'll concede that I have no agenda other than a general distaste for nepotism and the incredibly poor job Sanchez has done while at LSU. That is an agenda I don't mind sharing, and my posting habits re: the subject of Javy would sort've bear that out. Asking what my agenda is-much less pulling the dreaded underline and bold text wrap out is sort've silly, isn't it?
How much more painfully obvious could my distaste for the fact that he's on our payroll be? I'm sorry I consider you far more acute than to actually spell out, "F-i-r-e- h-i-m y-e-s-t-e-r-d-a-y, I d-o-n-'-t c-a-r-e w-h-o h-i-s G-o-d-f-a-t-h-e-r i-s o-r w-h-o h-e p-l-a-y-e-d f-o-r i-n c-o-l-l-e-g-e."
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You will have to argue those points with someone else. I have not mentioned hitting coach responsibilities any where in this thread. I replied to the poster who asked what positives could be said about Sanchez and I mentioned his recruiting successes.
Okay.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 9:25 am
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:29 am to GFunk
So you're admitting you just don't like him and really have no idea what you're talking about?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:30 am to GFunk
So is anyone going to address Paul's comments on hitting or not hitting?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:34 am to GFunk
quote:Strawman argument. Baseball, with 3 paid assistant coaches, is much different from football with its double digit number of assistant coaches, including specific position coaches.
At every Meet-The-Freshman Gridiron event, Miles introduces.....
You're showing desperation to save some face for writing things you know nothing about regarding the LSU baseball recruiting process.
The rest of your post confirms that fact. You can keep whining. I'll let you do it by yourself.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:35 am to TigerCub
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TigerCub
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So you're admitting you just don't like him and really have no idea what you're talking about?
The use of a conjunction in persuasive conversation is typically to negate everything that came before it. In this case, you're half right. I don't like him. But as far as not knowing what I'm talking about, no, I do.
Don't want the guy coaching at LSU. He's been bad at third. He's been bad at recruiting. He's been bad at coaching hitting. He's had off-the-field issues in the past blurring the line between players and coaches.
Sorry, I guess I'm just illogical and rash like that.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 9:36 am
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