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re: Does Dugas have a career in MLB after LSU?

Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:46 pm to
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:46 pm to
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Can you agree that this years stats are cloae between Crews and Dugas

No because they're objectively not. That's not even an opinion. It's just a fact. Are his numbers good? Absolutely. Are they close to Crews right now. No, they're not
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does the same hold true for Crews?

Crews is 20 years old, a 5 tool player, and one of the most polished college hitters I've ever seen. Crews projects as possibly the #1 overall pick for a reason.
Posted by Thacian
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:49 pm to
I can agree

I was asking you in terms of "team" contribution(about being close) not the individual.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:59 pm to
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I was asking you in terms of "team" contribution(about being close) not the individual.

I don't even know what you mean by "team contribution." Sounds like something intentionally unquantifiable
Posted by Thacian
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:13 pm to
What players mean to their teams thus far into the season. The impact they make in each game at the plate and on the field. It cant be that hard to understand. Nevermind this isnt a team sport i forgot. Peace out.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 9:22 pm
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:15 pm to
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think you have a very naïve view on how the MLB works


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just dont care about the analytics side to the game


That's the very definition of having a very naive view on how the MLB works.
Posted by Thacian
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:16 pm to
Every player or coach before analytics of baseball came into play are niave? Oh ok got it.


"Hey Skip, you shoulda used analytics to baseball and you might of won more"
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 4:18 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:20 pm to
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"Hey Skip, you shoulda used analytics to baseball and you might of won more"



Skip did use analytics.
Posted by Thacian
USA
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:24 pm to
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Skip did use analytics.
not the ones that are used by coaches on their players today. This one is out of your league sir.
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:27 pm to
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Every player or coach before analytics of baseball came into play are niave? Oh ok got it. "Hey Skip, you shoulda used analytics to baseball and you might of won more"

Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75886 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:28 pm to
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not the ones that are used by coaches on their players today. This one is out of your league sir.


So some analytics are okay but some aren't?

More information is worse than less information?

You want people to agree with you that Dugas has contributed as much to the team this year as Crews has, but you decry the only way of being able to substantiate such a claim.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:37 pm to
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Every player or coach before analytics of baseball came into play are niave?


In retrospect, yes.


Same way with the NBA in how it took so long to realize that shooting 25% from 3 is just as good as shooting 50% from 2.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:43 pm to
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In retrospect, yes.


What's crazy is that a lot of the work being done to quantify what was happening on the field has its roots with guys that would say they are against "Sabermetrics".

Modern reliever usage patterns started with Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncan.

"Launch Angle" started with Ted Williams in the book he wrote about hitting like 60 years ago.

There are defensive minded coaches in MLB that were incredible at positioning guys, they just did all of the research by hand. Jose Oquendo is a defensive savant.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 6:15 pm to
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What players mean to their teams thus far into the season. The inpact they make in each game at the plate


Look, it’s obvious you’re an older guy who still only judges plate impact by the old standard 3 metrics of batting average, home runs, and RBI. Your previous posts make that clear. But guys can have more impact than that, and in Dylan Crews’ case, he has much, much more.

A few examples that have actually helped Dugas. Teams are terrified to pitch to Crews, which is why he leads the country in on base % with an absurd .650+ (and why he doesn’t have double digit home runs). Against Texas, Dugas comes up with 2 runners on and Crews behind him. That dude wasn’t gonna frick around and have to face Crews with the bases loaded, so he winds up throwing a dick-high fastball right down the plate that Dugas jumps all over for a 3-run homer that won the game. And give Dugas all the credit in the world for making that dude pay for that mistake. But he’s probably not getting that pitch without Crews lurking on deck.

Go back to last night. Crews doubled (I think this was that AB—regardless, he was on 2nd somehow). So White comes up with a base open. Nobody is pitching to White in that situation no matter who’s behind him. Dugas comes up, and makes them pay again with another 3-run home run. Again, he gets a ton of credit for taking advantage of that, but he wouldn’t have been in that position without Crews and White on base in front of him.

Crews affects games in so many more ways than just his BA/HRs/RBIs. (As does White to a lesser extent.) His getting on base, gives guys behind him more RBI opportunities and better pitches to hit. Him hitting behind somebody and the threat that brings also gives the guys in front of him better pitches to hit.

Now, they still have to do it, and Dugas has been really good at taking advantage so far. I love Dugas—said he’s the kind of guy that can turn a great team into a championship one. But you are doing him a disservice by making us point these things out, because it sounds like we’re criticizing him. All we are doing is trying to point out how little of an understanding of the overall value Dylan Crews has on the entire offense. Dugas and White would not have the numbers they do were it not for Crews. Even if he’s just getting on base by walk or standing in the on-deck circle.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted by Lsudave89
Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:11 pm to
Here's a off topic slightly I guess question Project...
Can Crews go directly to AA? Or would you expect him to? I think I remember Bregman spending a second in A+ and 2 or 3 minutes in AA before he got the call?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75886 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:31 pm to
Talent wise, Crews could probably go straight to AA. But the draft is now in July and he wouldn’t hit a pro field until late July. He’s been practicing and playing since January. Used to be they’d send most of college guys to a short season team and the most advanced ones went to Low A. Now they’ve taken away two levels of short season ball. They shelve most of the pitchers and just about all the college position guys go to low A, some may stop at a complex league for a week or so first.

I could see Crews finishing the year in high A as an introduction with the idea of getting him to AA by mid season 2024 and maybe even higher.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Savannah, GA
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:33 pm to
He would make a kick arse coach!
Posted by lucaslsu
LSU!
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:34 pm to
His cleat chasing, tanning, all out dressing try hard GF sure hopes so.

On the other hand, Crews’ GF looks and seems very normal.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:38 pm to
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Here's a off topic slightly I guess question Project... Can Crews go directly to AA? Or would you expect him to? I think I remember Bregman spending a second in A+ and 2 or 3 minutes in AA before he got the call?


Either way, if he does go 1.1 in June, I expect him to come out of Spring Training ‘24 as a starter in Pittsburgh’s big league OF.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:45 pm to
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I could see Crews finishing the year in high A as an introduction with the idea of getting him to AA by mid season 2024 and maybe even higher.



I fully expect Crews to be a September call up to an MLB team in 2024. Maybe that’s naive of me. I don’t follow the mlb enough to have a true feel for that kind of stuff. But I truly feel like he could be one of the best hitters in the MLB very early in his career and whoever gets him is going to want him up as soon as possible.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52139 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:45 pm to
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Comparing him to Altuve is dumb. Dugas is 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than Altuve. Dugas isn't really that small.

Seems like he needs to lose weight

And get shorter.
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