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re: Does Dugas have a career in MLB after LSU?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:42 am to geauxtigers33
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:42 am to geauxtigers33
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One thing is for sure. He will be a top 5-10 round pick and get lowballed by a MLB team.
Maybe closer to 10-15 range, but yeah, he's not getting a signing bonus.
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:56 am to Broski
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Maybe closer to 10-15 range, but yeah, he's not getting a signing bonus.
Someone will draft him in the top 10 rounds so they can lowball him to save money to go above slot for one of their top draft picks.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:59 am to geauxtigers33
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Someone will draft him in the top 10 rounds so they can lowball him to save money to go above slot for one of their top draft picks.
Meh, with less rounds now, that practice has been neutered a bit since there aren't as many "dead" picks available.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:59 am to Broski
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One thing is for sure. He will be a top 5-10 round pick and get lowballed by a MLB team.
Maybe closer to 10-15 range, but yeah, he's not getting a signing bonus.
I would think that he's a perfect candidate for a team to draft Top 10 rounds and undersign to free up $ in their signing bonus pool.
Eta: Just saw the post above that it's not really standard practice anymore.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:03 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Eta: Just saw the post above that it's not really standard practice anymore.
It's not that it's not standard practice anymore, because again, wherever Dugas is selected he's getting basically a penny as a signing bonus to free up money elsewhere. But since there are less rounds, it makes it a little harder for a team to select a guy that has no real MLB projection as one of their first 10 picks just to save money for a "hail mary, let's throw frick you money to a high school kid taken in the 26th round" move.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:04 pm to Blutarsky
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He doesn’t have the prototypical size, speed or arm, but he crushes balls.
110mph off the bat on his HR last night.
Probably not. Look at all the guys LSU has had who were great college hitters who never made the MLB.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:19 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
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Thanks Scout! I just love these threads
I’m not a scout and never claimed to be one. To me, he seems like a similar player to Uggla. It’s obviously hard to project but there’s a huge difference between the pitching he sees at LSU (even in the SEC) versus what he will face in the minor league. He’s already 23 so he isn’t going to be a guy teams jump all over early and he will have less time to make it to the show before he has a life decision to make.
It’s just my opinion that he probably won’t make it. That’s simply being realistic about expectations. Love him at LSU though.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:25 pm to ccox11
Making the show is hard. He is great at hitting mistakes but I’m not sure he has the range as a hitter to play at the highest level
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:31 pm to Tigerfan14
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He’s also an above average athlete.
For a human being? Absolutely. For a P5 college baseball player? Probably. But not for a big league middle infielder. And I’m not sure there’s many MLB corner OF as short as him either.
I’m sure he’ll get drafted and can stick around the minors for a few years if he wants, but he’ll have to have that “got to make it” drive that guys like Austin Nola or Ryan Schimpf had and be willing to wait until he’s 28 or 29 to make it to the bigs to get there. (Not saying it would definitely have to take him that long, just that that’s the kind of drive it would take). And for every one of those 2, willing to toil around the minors for 7 years before being called up, there’s a thousand that do the same and never do.
His size—it’s just not prototypical for any MLB position—and his age will be disadvantages. But could he overcome them? It’s certainly possible. Probably not likely, but possible. And I’ll be pulling for him if he decides to really give it a shot.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:33 pm to Broski
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eam to select a guy that has no real MLB projection as one of their first 10 picks just to save money for a "hail mary, let's throw frick you money to a high school kid taken in the 26th round" move
This isn’t how they did it. All teams the pool of money for the first 10 rounds were combined as your allotment and you could only use that money on your draft picks in the first 10 rounds. The money saved weren’t for the late round guys it was for the top 10 round guys.
With less rounds it may not happen as often but I believe it will still happen some times. Most teams have guarantees from the players before drafting them but it doesn’t hurt to have a little extra dollars to play with if one of your top guys starts to waiver.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:37 pm to Penrod
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also pointed out that one of my nephew's teammates, Schimpf, was a true one tool guy who made it. He said yeah, but Schimpf hit 20 HRs in 2009. Well, Dugas ended that year with 19.
Schimpf also stole 18 bases his junior season and hit .336. Dugas has stolen 5 bases in his career and has a career BA hovering around .300. I do agree their power numbers are more or less a push. Schimpf had also just turned 21 when he was drafted. It took him almost exactly 7 years from the time he was drafted before he made his MLB debut, so he was 28 years old. Very rare for a guy that old to make his debut, and he played in less than a season's worth over two years and a handful of games his third year in the majors.
Dugas will be 23 in May. He's still behind Schimpf overall as a hitter and they're somewhat comparable as utility players who have the ability to play multiple positions. Dugas strikes out at a bit higher rate than Schimpf did at LSU, and strikeouts were Schimpf's biggest issue in pro ball. Dugas being older than Schimpf was and being behind where Schimpf was when he came out of college is going to make it a longshot to make the majors, and he's not going to be paid much of anything with his signing bonus. Unless he makes a massive jump in the minors, he's going to have to find a really unique situation for a franchise to spend that much time developing a player that may not even be ready for an MLB debut until his late 20s.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:45 pm to Blutarsky
Gavin has 32 hr since 2019 and crews has 45 bombs in probably more games played(at bats)or just as many than dugas has. Its close. Remember dugas hardly played in 19, 20 was covid and he was off to a hot start, 21 he did great, last year he was hurt too much to get anything going although he played in 40 games. This year is gonna be a better year i think than in 21.
Basically Dugas had 2 years ago when he played a full season and dropped 66rbi and 19hr. To me a clutch hitter should raise eyebrows no matter what some think he is a 1 tool guy. Skip used to say "whats his ba with runners in scoring position". "I want hitters who can drive in runs" when he scouted players.
Hopefully this year he gets around 60 plus games played and puts up good overall numbers. The kid is smart, coachable and is a baseball player.
Here is my question:
What if an mlb team is interested in him? I know money may not be good but what if a team wants him? Higher in draft right? Imo, 2 season ago crews and dugas out put was about the same. This year so far they are about the same. So as far as dugas is concerned what makes him such a bad choice for the league in so many eyes here? I think he can adapt and make it based on what ive seen him do. I think he is a good a player as anyone in the country.
On a side note: for all the troll answers
in advance.
Basically Dugas had 2 years ago when he played a full season and dropped 66rbi and 19hr. To me a clutch hitter should raise eyebrows no matter what some think he is a 1 tool guy. Skip used to say "whats his ba with runners in scoring position". "I want hitters who can drive in runs" when he scouted players.
Hopefully this year he gets around 60 plus games played and puts up good overall numbers. The kid is smart, coachable and is a baseball player.
Here is my question:
What if an mlb team is interested in him? I know money may not be good but what if a team wants him? Higher in draft right? Imo, 2 season ago crews and dugas out put was about the same. This year so far they are about the same. So as far as dugas is concerned what makes him such a bad choice for the league in so many eyes here? I think he can adapt and make it based on what ive seen him do. I think he is a good a player as anyone in the country.
On a side note: for all the troll answers
in advance. This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:50 pm to Broski
Broski, He's not favorably comparing Dugas to Altuve. he is using Altuve as an example to prove that you don't need to the prototype to do well. It was perfectly valid.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:53 pm to Thacian
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Thacian
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:58 pm to Thacian
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This year so far they are about the same.
Outside of homerun totals, not they're not. What Crews is doing right now is ridiculous. It's no slight to Dugas, but Crews is batting over .100 points higher, is getting on base at a rate over .100 point higher, and has an OPS over .250 point higher. What Crews is doing, to date, is the most impressive hitting we've arguably ever seen in the program. Crews is also a true 5 tool player. Dugas is about a 1.5 tool player. Dugas has plus power and has hit well enough for average over his career, not elite but good. However, he has average speed, fielding, and arm strength.
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So as far as dugas is concerned what makes him such a bad choice for the league in so many eyes here?
His age and the fact that he doesn't have enough MLB tools to project well at him reaching the majors. His power isn't so good that there aren't a lot of minor leaguers who also have the same or better ability, and there are a lot more minor leaguers who have more tools to provide value to an MLB team. It's really, really hard to make the major leagues. We've had plenty of All-Americans never get past AA ball. Crews happens to be a generational player here. You don't see players as good and polished as he is at his age very often.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:01 pm to Thacian
.391 is not quite even with .510
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:01 pm to lsufball19
Bottom line is they are equally contributing. All the this and thats in the world doesnt change what dugas or crews has done. No one has out performed the other in terms of doing their job.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:03 pm to Thacian
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No one has out performed the other.
Crews has outperformed every position player in college baseball this year. Dugas playing well this year does not mean he hasn't been outperformed by Crews. Crews' numbers are so good right now they almost seem impossible.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:05 pm to lsufball19
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Schimpf also stole 18 bases his junior season and hit .336. Dugas has stolen 5 bases in his career and has a career BA hovering around .300. I do agree their power numbers are more or less a push. Schimpf had also just turned 21 when he was drafted. It took him almost exactly 7 years from the time he was drafted before he made his MLB debut, so he was 28 years old. Very rare for a guy that old to make his debut, and he played in less than a season's worth over two years and a handful of games his third year in the majors.
Yeah, no doubt it is an extreme long shot, especially now that he's missed years due to injury and is in year five. We had the conversation halfway through his freshman year when he was raking. It was not far fetched to think he could have an outcome like Schimpf. But it was always a long shot.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:07 pm to lsufball19
I AGREE and id pick crews first but Dugas imo is just as good as Crews as a baseball player. Crews may be a better athlete but that theory doesnt hold much weight in mlb when you look at the several players who are lesser athletes but just a dam good baseball player. If you can play regardless of athleticism your gonna move up the ladder. Imo i think an mlb team will show more interest in GD more than what people think here
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 1:11 pm
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