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re: Does Coach "O" Interfere with Ensmingers Play Calling

Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:03 am to
Posted by justice
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:03 am to
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Game plan was sound;
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:17 am to
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People will blame him for the Troy loss, but that isn't why we lost. Game plan was sound; execution lacked heavily.


Lulzies
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:20 am to
I don't think he is going to need to. Him and Ensminger as more on the same page
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:31 am to
It seems like he did a lot more than cut back on preanap motions, and it didn’t work.

Because he doesn’t know enough about offenses to make useful changes.

Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278389 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:32 am to
tell me what wasn't sound about the game plan

We had 4 turnovers, they ran for 200 yards, & we still only lost by 3.

lack of execution does not mean the game plan wasn't good. Honestly i wasnt that much different than we we did all year. Just lacked execution
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278389 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:33 am to
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It seems like he did a lot more than cut back on preanap motions, and it didn’t work.




im sorry, but you're going to have to be more specific. Didnt work when? against Troy?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66503 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:33 am to
All gameplans are good if you execute them perfectly.

I personally Think changing the wholenoffense before the game hurt execution.
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 10:37 am
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278389 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:38 am to
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I personally Think changing the wholenoffense before the game hurt execution.



what do you think was that much different?


and what does changing the offense have to do with fumbles or the panicky interception Myles Brennan threw?
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 10:41 am
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:41 am to
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All coaches "interfere"



All don't and some of them shouldn't.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:42 am to
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All gameplans are good if you execute them perfectly.


Exactly.

You know where the ball carrier ends up when you draw up a toss dive on the old chalk board...?



Touchdown, baby.

If everyone makes their block perfectly and the RB makes his man miss, it works every time.

What if you run that play exclusively and after the first 2 times of you scoring on it it begins to get shut down? Would it be truer to then blame the game plan that continues to run the same ineffective play over and over, or on the players not executing?
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 10:44 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66503 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:46 am to
If you are fucusing in what play you’re running instead of holding onto the ball or trying to make new reads you aren’t familiar with, you’re going to turn the ball over more.

Regardless, we also punted like 5 times and had a drive end on downs.

It’s not like we turned the ball over or scored, we had like 13 possessions. We squandered about half of them just not
Moving the ball.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278389 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:50 am to
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If you are fucusing in what play you’re running instead of holding onto the ball or trying to make new reads you aren’t familiar with, you’re going to turn the ball over more.




I love this board.

How do you write this with a straight face


quote:

It’s not like we turned the ball over or scored, we had like 13 possessions. We squandered about half of them just not
Moving the ball.



Well, we struggled in a lot of games on offense. Guice was hurt most of the year, he didn't even play in this game. Sadiq Charles made his first start on the line. If you can tell me exactly what we did differently, then maybe i can accept your point.


Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66503 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:56 am to
How can you not understand the idea that’s familiarity with an offense cuts down on Turnovers and improves overall offensive efficiency.

We cut back on shifts and motion. That’s the not only visible difference between the first and second half.

I will admit that I am Sorta poeceing together the rest, but when players are saying that we ran plays from last year and we needed to get back to the offense we installed in the spring (Etling and Clapp after the game) and that players didn’t know the offense (Malone post game) it’s pretty clear serious changes were made.

Posted by ThePaleHorse
Houston
Member since Jul 2011
807 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:58 am to
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We're talking about actually calling plays from a different offense than the OC you hired is used to


exactly!
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:57 am to
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. When O tried to interfere with Canada



Why do people still pretend not to understand why O interfered with Canada?
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
30007 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 12:04 pm to
No. This is not Canada.

Ensminger played for LSU, he’s more beloved than O
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 12:06 pm to
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Why do people still pretend not to understand why O interfered with Canada?


Oo oo can I guess? Was it his over-inflated ego and his inability to properly articulate what his actual vision for LSU's offense is?
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 12:14 pm to
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When O tried to interfere with Canada, that’s when fights broke out because Canada was told he’d have full autonomy.


I seriously doubt any new OC has 100% autonomy. even vets; saban damn sure didn't give Kiffin 100% autonomy.

I know one thing; Canada's offense was fricked up early in the season. do you not remember the massive amount of penalties? I don't know the extent of Orgerons involvement but as the HC he damn sure needed to do something. I suspect Canada got a big arse chewing and he couldn't take it.

you don't have to be making over a mil/yr to get your arse chewed but if you do make that, you need to get results. our offense was confused and being run ragged by all of those shifts.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66503 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 12:18 pm to
Why do people think that all coaches are the same?

Saban’s pith was never “I’m gonna let me coaches coach”

He is a well known micromanager but also a football genius, and the GOAT college FB coach.

People keep saying massive amounts of penealties but a lot were holding and unsportsmanlike conduct.

That’s not scheme related, it’s discipline.
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 7/12/18 at 12:22 pm to
E set records. Canada offense was struggling with freshman oline trying to learn on the fly and shift everywhere. Along with the worst red zone offensive play calling. I don’t blame O for askin Canada not to shift as much. Ensminger will be able to do what he wants because O trust him
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