re: Does being a good “fan” mandate willful ignorance?

No dog just quit fuking bitching and moaning about it all the goddam time. Pertty fuking simple

I've seen your post and you're fair to the guy. You're not all negetive all the time. I know I wouldn't question anyone's loyalty if their being fair about the situation.

And I'm not saying the people that post those negetive things aren't saying facts, they are, but it just gets old hearing the same things again and again. I'm sure you can agree with that. Either way also not one way or another. All of it gets old.

I would and I'm sure many people here, would just like to have decent conversations without bringing up the controversial stuff, without also admitting some of the things Os doing right. Because there are many things he's doing right. You can not agree with some of the things he's doing but no one truly knows if those things are the right things are not at this time. You can def say that it's unconventional. He's going to live or die by those decisions and that's on him.

I disagree. I think people support him because they do not want to see this program fail. Would it be awesome for someone from the bayou to lead us back to national prominence? Absolutely. However I could give 2 fricks if they came from Hong fricking Kong. I am sure most LSU "fans" agree with me

Then why don't you give him 3 or 4 seasons. The last two he has been coaching since Les was relieved have not been bad. Do I think he was the the best hire? NO. However I am going to support the man until he fricking fails. Did he lose to troy? Yes. Did he lose to state? Yes. Did he close the year out 6-2? Yes. So give the man a chance. You ever frick up in your job? I doubt it. So fricking relax

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And I'm not saying the people that post those negetive things aren't saying facts, they are, but it just gets old hearing the same things again and again. I'm sure you can agree with that. Either way also not one way or another. All of it gets old.

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Your indignation seems misplaced. Why are you not disappointed with Orgeron for not producing at the level that's expected of him? He's getting paid a lot of money to deliver results. It is old but we only have his results to go on.

The reason he doesn't get more credit for offseason moves is because he's done this in the past. He's fired his OC in year one and replaced him with someone that'll run his USC offense, just like he did this season. We've seen this before, people are just choosing to ignore the similarities.

Go to sleep

Yep, apparently. I suppose I have proved my point.

I was disappointed at the time that it happened but I also recognize that we were a very young team in many of the spots that make a team strong. OL/LB and DL wasn't young but the depth wasn't were it needs to be.

It's still not in the optimum place we need it to be but its good enough that a good coach can win games. I think what all that caused was a team that didn't know exactly who they were and mistakes were made by Orgeron as well. At the same time I think he's recognized those issues and is working on them as well as the players.

It truly makes all the difference in the world to have leadership from within the players. You can ask any coach in the country if they can make leaders on a team and you can't do that. You have to let that evolve within your team. You can preach it but until the players actually take to it, it won't work.

After those embarrassing loses, the players took it to heart and stepped up which is what you want. It's unfortunate that it took that situation to evolve but it has now and I think that makes a huge difference this year and hopefully from here on. What LSU needs to do is before those leadership players graduate or move on they should take the initiative to pass that down onto the next guy and so on.

Orgeron can introduce that idea but that's about all he can do. The players need to be the ones to actually step up. If it's coming from a previous player or brother, it means more, so they will likely take it to heart and do it for that player to carry on that tradition. I've even heard Jimbo fisher say this exact thing. They asked him when does he think the team will turn the corner and his answer was when the players decide to take owner ship.

You need to have those leaders figured out before spring/summer/fall workouts so that they are all holding each other accountable. Yes the HC can do that but it just means more when it comes from within the team. It rubs off on the whole team. If he can do then I can and so on. It works the same the other way around as well. The team can just come in and do their jobs then go home without putting all that extra time and work in. The environment is just different when it comes from within. I like what I'm seeing now. I assure you that if I see coaching decisions getting in the way of our winning despite these players working their butts off for each other, I'll be the first one saying fire his arse. I just haven't seen that yet.

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Because you have no power dummy. Are you so dense you don't realize that bitching on an anonymous chatroom won't change a darn thing? Although some of you actually believe this.

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Pretty sure nobody is saying it does but, you know, keep posting ignorant comments if it makes you feel better.

This is a message board for discussing LSU athletics. That’s what we are doing. What part of that are you too fricking stupid to comprehend?