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re: Does a 7-5 regular season get Miles fired??
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:01 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:01 pm to Choctaw
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then why couldn't Saban do it in '04?
because i mentioned '05-'07, and Saban wasn't here.
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Miles bashers like to think this because it justifies their hatred (which i still don't understand) but its simply not true.
and Miles lovers like to deny it, but it's as obvious as the sun in the sky.
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Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:04 pm to TheBaker
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because Corky Romano could've coached LSU to success in '05-'07
Perhaps, but Corky didn't and Miles did. Therefore Miles gets the NC ring and Corky doesn't.
Also, Miles gets to separate himself from 99% of the college football coaching world and Corky gets a few laughs.
Reality is a bitch, huh.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:20 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Reality is a bitch, huh
hence the reason I have zero faith in Les Miles.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:21 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Lonnie:
Yes, I think most of us remember his 12-0 1st season.
In his next 5 seasons, his winning percentage never improved from one season to the next. You know, like his 3rd year was not better than his 2nd or his 4th was not better than his 3rd, and so on.
Yeah but most forget his second season when he went to the BCSCG AGAIN and lost to OSU on a very questionable interference call in OT after losing his all star RB McGahee to injury early in the game. What other BCSCG has Les made it to? Coker lost one game in two years, in OT at the NC, and won 10 the very next year.
His slide began in the fourth and fifth years, like somebody else we know. His first three year record had less losses than Miles.
And Miles "improved" to 9-4 and a disaster on offense from 8-5 and a disaster on defense. When you set the bar for improvement that low it's not much of an accomplishment.
This post was edited on 4/22/10 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:25 pm to matt314
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His slide began in the fourth and fifth years, like somebody else we know. His first three year record had less losses than Miles.
yes, but there's ABSOLUTELY NO comparison to Miles. Coker had players who were arrested. SEE!!
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:26 pm to TheBaker
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because i mentioned '05-'07, and Saban wasn't here.
no shite...thats why I asked about '04.
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and Miles lovers like to deny it, but it's as obvious as the sun in the sky.
only in your warped little mind
This post was edited on 4/22/10 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:29 pm to matt314
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Yeah but most forget his second season when he went to the BCSCG AGAIN and lost to OSU on a very questionable interference call in OT after losing his all star RB McGahee to injury early in the game. What other BCSCG has Les made it to? Coker lost one game in two years, in OT at the NC, and won 10 the very next year.
His slide began in the fourth and fifth years, like somebody else we know. His first three year record had less losses than Miles.
And Miles "improved" to 9-4 and a disaster on offense from 8-5 and a disaster on defense. When you set the bar for improvement that low it's not much of an accomplishment.
Miles curbstomped Coker's #1 defense in the Peach Bowl....Miles never had a .500 season....Miles doesn't coach in the Big East or ACC.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:33 pm to Choctaw
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no shite...thats why asked about '04.
why? i was talking about '05-'07?
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only in your warped little mind
again, blind denial.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:35 pm to Choctaw
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Miles doesn't coach in the Big East or ACC.
maybe he should, then he would be able to equal Coker's success.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:37 pm to TheBaker
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why? i was talking about '05-'07?
Well since you said Corky could coach those teams with success, why couldn't Saban do it in '04 with the same players. I mean...they were all Sabans recruits right? Isn't that the retard mantra, "Sabans recruits"?
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:38 pm to Nawlens Gator
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You guys must be really board to reply 8 pages to such hypothetical bull shite.
I hear what you are saying, but sometimes you have to be willing to try and cover the back of your own even with knowing that you are pissing into the wind. imo
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:39 pm to TheBaker
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maybe he should, then he would be able to equal Coker's success.
i don't give a shite about Coker's "success"....i care about LSU's success....and Miles is one of the most successful coaches in LSU history.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:50 pm to Choctaw
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Well since you said Corky could coach those teams with success, why couldn't Saban do it in '04 with the same players. I mean...they were all Sabans recruits right? Isn't that the retard mantra, "Sabans recruits"?
if you believe Saban wouldn't have been successful in '05, then you're just fricking dumb. I KNOW Saban wouldn't have tried to call a freakin' timeout after a Leron Landry interception in the Tennessee game that year. but to answer your question, for the same reason he didn't do it in 2002. 2004 was a new team just like 2002 was a new team.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 2:53 pm to Choctaw
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i don't give a shite about Coker's "success"....i care about LSU's success....and Miles is one of the most successful coaches in LSU history.
just like Coker was at Miami. i don't give a frick about Miami either, but the similarities are there.....and going.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:01 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:Let's see. We had Mike Archer who took LSU up before he took LSU down. We had Curley Hallman who just went down. And then we had Dinardo, who brought back the magic, then Teppered LSU into oblivion. And we had Nick Saban, who showed us LSU can become the powerhouse team we all believed possible - even when the record wasn't 10-1. LSU was always a factor in the SEC under Saban. Then came CLM, who for 3 years benefited from the Saban-coached football culture of excellence and effort that remained after Nick jumped ship. But in the last parts of 2007 and especially in '08 and '09 we got the full benefit of a CLM-coached LSU. Even with all the recruited talent, it wasn't pretty. And it likely won't be in '10.
why would LSU fans not defend their own coach who has guided their team to the overall must successful 5 year period under one coach in LSU history?
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:04 pm to matt314
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Yeah but most forget his second season when he went to the BCSCG AGAIN
I'm not knocking on Coker. The man was pretty dang successful for a period of time and who knows what might have happened if he hadn't lost control of his team.
My comments bout Coker are only in response to the "he was fired, so lets fire Les too" approach some like to use. I don't think that approach is valid due to the baggage Coker had that Les doesn't. imo
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When you set the bar for improvement that low it's not much of an accomplishment.
Well, I can't agree. I think when you go from a 7-5 regular season which is awarded the Peach Bowl, 7th in the SEC, and unranked to 9-3 in the regular season which is awarded with the Capital One bowl, 3rd in the SEC, and nationally ranked it is more than "not much of an accomplishment."
That's just my opinion, each to our own.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:10 pm to TheBaker
quote:Sabans coaching style may not have played very well in 2005 when football took a backseat to family and personal concerns for much of the beginning of the season. Miles has much better personal skills and empathy for what the team when through and likely held the team together better that year than what an overbearing style of coach would have done. JMHO.
if you believe Saban wouldn't have been successful in '05, then you're just fricking dumb.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:12 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:Yes this is true to a degree. But when you factor in the style of play LSU has brought onto the field the last 2 seasons - struggle on defense, struggle on offense, struggle at QB, struggle with clock issues, struggle with receivers, struggle with RBs and linesmen, etc. you've got to say this is no improvement at LSU. This is a train wreck of coaching ineptitude.
I think when you go from a 7-5 regular season which is awarded the Peach Bowl, 7th in the SEC, and unranked to 9-3 in the regular season which is awarded with the Capital One bowl, 3rd in the SEC, and nationally ranked it is more than "not much of an accomplishment."
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:15 pm to XbengalTiger
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Sabans coaching style may not have played very well in 2005 when football took a backseat to family and personal concerns for much of the beginning of the season. Miles has much better personal skills and empathy for what the team when through and likely held the team together better that year than what an overbearing style of coach would have done. JMHO.
well, that's your opinion and i totally respect it, even if I disagree.
Posted on 4/22/10 at 3:35 pm to JawjaTigah
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But in the last parts of 2007 and especially in '08
The last game in 07 was a SECCG win directed by our 2nd string QB which directly led to a BCSNC in 1-08. I can't complain bout the last part of 07 or the 1st month in 08, but each to our own.
O8 season was pretty much a bummer but for the Peach bowl. No denying that.
09 we will have to disagree on. While we stumbled, we ended up 9-3 in the regular season which got us the best SEC bowl bid outside the BCS and a season ending national ranking in the Top 20. Not elite or great season, but a good one on the whole.
Nick jumped ship in 12-04. If you want to give him credit for what happened from then to 12-07, so be it. I don't.
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