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Do you think the NIL could help return some seniors, such as ZVR?

Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:47 pm
Posted by irishTiger18
Chicago
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:47 pm
Hindsight is 20/20, but do you think NIL could have kept a guy like ZVR for another year, since he went Undrafted? With his age and overall brand, feel like he could’ve made some good dough if he returned.

Also, what do you think is the min NIL dollar amount that would convince a late rounder (5-7) to come back for another year? Think racey mcmath. For reference, he got drafted 6th round and he signed this contract:
2021 $660K
2022 $825K
2023 $940K
2024 $1.05M
Posted by The Hurricane
Gulf of Mexico
Member since Aug 2011
8930 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:49 pm to
No. Special teams is an odd position because you have a multitude of players vying for 32 positions. Take into consideration his age, he needed to go.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:50 pm to
Do you think McMathnis making 660k+ in NIL money?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
165221 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:50 pm to
Possible but McMath wouldn't have benefited from staying.
Posted by irishTiger18
Chicago
Member since Oct 2019
705 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:51 pm to
No but even if you’re a 6th round talent, there is still a chance you could go undrafted. What amount of cash do you take to hedge against the chance of not getting that $600k contract
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:51 pm to
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With his age and overall brand, feel like he could’ve made some good dough if he returned.


Define good dough
Posted by The Hurricane
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:56 pm to
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Define good dough

Realistically, I couldn’t see him bringing in more than $35k in endorsements and that’s being generous. He had a year remaining and he’s a punter. Outside of LSU, he wouldn’t get much money.
Posted by irishTiger18
Chicago
Member since Oct 2019
705 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:56 pm to
If he signs with a team that’s a $500k contract. What was his realistic chance of signing with a team? 5-10%?

We’ll have to see how the NIL landscape works out, but Would making 25-50k for one year have got him to stay? He still could’ve tried out for the league after another year
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75639 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:13 pm to
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No but even if you’re a 6th round talent, there is still a chance you could go undrafted. What amount of cash do you take to hedge against the chance of not getting that $600k contract


Even undrafted players make some money.

I dont Think McMath was a guy who would be making all that much money from NIL
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:16 pm to
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Would making 25-50k for one year have got him to stay?

No. He could easily find just about any job making more than that. Don't be silly.
Posted by The Hurricane
Gulf of Mexico
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:20 pm to
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I dont Think McMath was a guy who would be making all that much money from NIL

Guys with one year left would def be making far less than someone with 3 years of eligibility.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:23 pm to
What makes you think he has a brand lol
Posted by irishTiger18
Chicago
Member since Oct 2019
705 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:30 pm to
LSU punter is better than most jobs tho
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11877 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:39 pm to
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do you think NIL could have kept a guy like ZVR for another year, since he went Undrafted?

No. ZVR was ready to move on, and he might have actually hurt his chances at getting drafted if he had waited another year.
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Also, what do you think is the min NIL dollar amount that would convince a late rounder (5-7) to come back for another year? Think racey mcmath. For reference, he got drafted 6th round and he signed this contract:
2021 $660K
2022 $825K
2023 $940K
2024 $1.05M

This is a better question. I think it takes a lot more than many folks would guess. I also think it really depends on the player’s situation. If a guy is going to see less playing time the next year, or if his draft stock is as high as it will ever be, I don’t think there’s any amount of NIL money (short of legit NFL rookie salary money) that makes it worthwhile for them to come back - IF they actually have a legit shot to be drafted. I kind of think McMath falls into this category.

OTOH, I think the math is much different for guys who would be mid-late round picks and are pretty much guaranteed to start if they return. If a guy has a 5th round grade but only a year or so of starting experience, maybe it’s worth it for him to come back if he can make $50-100k in NIL money with the chance to move up to a 3rd round pick.

That said, I don’t think the guys who are projected 5th round picks will be the ones making 6 figures in NIL money. I suspect it’s more likely that that kind of money will go to the guys who are early round locks, and that ultimately it won’t convince very many players to stick around for their senior year. But it’s a new frontier so I guess nobody really knows exactly what it will look like yet.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11986 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:55 pm to
I got to talk to a VERY GOOD younger player on LSU about NIL, they are making some spending money but not that much. He said only a few guys are making much money. I don't think it matters, he is probably going to be a day 1 pick in the next 2 years and be set for life if he is smart about it.

I just checked his draft profile, he is predicted first round already... not eligible until 23.
Posted by Purple Tiger King
Member since Jan 2021
2016 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:10 am to
I think NIL will be an incentive for Myles Brennan not to transfer right away when he finds out Max will be the starter and to remain the backup for the remainder of the season while at the same time he collects NIL. Then, of course, Myles will then transfer after the 2021 season and it would be my guess he will transfer to Ole Miss to play for Lane Kiffin in 2022
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10562 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:24 am to
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LSU punter is better than most jobs tho

He’s wouldn’t have made endorsements anywhere near the $25k ( to $50k) you mentioned earlier
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 1:30 am
Posted by LosTigres0810
Member since Mar 2019
64 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:46 pm to
ZVR could’ve made a lot of money on kicking camps over the summer. Not $660k but still good money.
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
6201 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 3:01 pm to
I don’t know about ZVR unless Geritol or One a Day vitamins, but I did read where a certain team has signed a NIL deal for $550,000 where each player will get $550, each player regardless of position or status to help take a little bit of the sting out of other players getting big deals, QB gets $550, 3rd TE gets $550. Surely top players get theirs, but still all players get some.
Posted by ElderTiger
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2010
7417 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 3:05 pm to
What seems strange about this whole NIL business is that a player can spend his college years banking NIL money but as soon as he signs with an agent his college career is over….is this correct ?
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