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re: Do you have a problem with Ben Simmons' effort?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:17 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:17 pm to Lester Earl
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yea, Shaq after his Soph or JR year, maybe.
after his FR year, no way.
What????
Simmons has an unbelievable "skill set". But Shaq's was greater. Many just remember Shaq from late in his NBA career as a big bruiser who only dunked. For most of Shaq's career he was the most unique combination of speed, agility, and power for a 7'0+ of all time. Shaq after his freshman year would be drafted first ahead of Simmons after his freshman year.
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:25 pm to Iam_PrinceAkeem
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I would like him to shoot more 3's and mid range shots like he did in highschool
Didn't watch many of his highschool games did ya
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:26 pm to Choupique19
I think you're ultimately right, but that would be an amazing hypothetical. It would be like Manning/Leaf in terms of agonizing over the decision, I would imagine.
I guess another interesting issue would be what year the draft was held--1992 or 2016. In 1992, getting a center was the biggest priority in the league. In 2016, a guy that does the things that Simmons does at his size is an incredible weapon.
I guess another interesting issue would be what year the draft was held--1992 or 2016. In 1992, getting a center was the biggest priority in the league. In 2016, a guy that does the things that Simmons does at his size is an incredible weapon.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:27 pm to Makinbacon
Nailed it.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:27 pm to max goof
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Ben Simmons' effort
anybody averaging 14 rpg or so is giving effort
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:31 pm to therick711
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:33 pm to Choupique19
Would the 1992 NBA even know what to do with a guy like Simmons? They'd basically force him to try and be a back to the basket player, right?
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:33 pm to sunnydaze
I would like to see him put more effort into his own self scoring points instead of trying to make so many fancy passes into tight spaces that just get bobbled away or that are thrown to players who aren't in any better position to make a shot
He is unselfish to a fault. He needs to realize that he is the big time player on the team and play accordingly.
He is unselfish to a fault. He needs to realize that he is the big time player on the team and play accordingly.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:33 pm to max goof
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Do you have a problem with Ben Simmons' effort?
no and if you do.........then well...........so sad
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:34 pm to PurpleKnight88
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Chris Jackson and Shaq disagree.
Chris Jackson is GOAT LSU freshman, but Simmons is ahead of Shaq's freshman season.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:35 pm to max goof
I have a problem with your thread title effort.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:38 pm to ccox11
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I have a problem with team's effort as a whole defensively. They are so individually talented offensively that they think it doesn't matter how many points the opponent scores, they will just outscore them. They aren't national title contenders with that attitude. They could be if they decided they were going to give 40 minutes of 100% effort defensively. They have the depth to give that kind of effort.
I don't know if it's so much an effort issue as much as just a bad defensive philosophy issue. LSU wants to "pressure" the ball in the halfcourt in an effort to create turnovers. They are 2nd in the SEC (37th nationwide) in steals per game. The downside is that they are 2nd to last in the SEC (209 nationwide) in opponents FG%. Because they are so concerned with creating turnovers, they many times find themselves out of position because they are unnecessary aggressive at times. Once they get out of position it leads to easy shots for the opponents. In many cases I think people mistake their being out of position for a lack of effort because they just see the opponent get an easy bucket.
If the team would just baten down and focus just a bit more on staying in-front of their guy rather than trying to create a steal, then I think you would see far fewer easy shots. I think LSU plays hard, but they just play unnecessarily dumb basketball at times.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:39 pm to therick711
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Would the 1992 NBA even know what to do with a guy like Simmons? They'd basically force him to try and be a back the basket player, right?
Scottie Pippen clone?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:39 pm to thekid
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he is just super smooth athletically and everything looks really easy for him
This is what I notice. He looks like he isn't really trying sometimes but the reason is he just makes everything look so easy
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:43 pm to Alt26
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I don't know if it's so much an effort issue as much as just a bad defensive philosophy issue. LSU wants to "pressure" the ball in the halfcourt in an effort to create turnovers. They are 2nd in the SEC (37th nationwide) in steals per game. The downside is that they are 2nd to last in the SEC (209 nationwide) in opponents FG%. Because they are so concerned with creating turnovers, they many times find themselves out of position because they are unnecessary aggressive at times. Once they get out of position it leads to easy shots for the opponents. In many cases I think people mistake their being out of position for a lack of effort because they just see the opponent get an easy bucket.
If the team would justyup. down and focus just a bit more on staying in-front of their guy rather than trying to create a steal, then I think you would see far fewer easy shots. I think LSU plays hard, but they just play unnecessarily dumb basketball at times.
Great post. I loathe watching us "pressure" the ball up near the time line only to watch the ball handler beat us off the dribble and take it to the basket for an easy layup.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:43 pm to Choupique19
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Scottie Pippen clone?
Which to your point, was traded for Olden Polynice, a center, on draft day.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:43 pm to Choupique19
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Maybe, but he's still trying to become the best freshman all time at LSU.
CJ was the best college basketball player I have ever watched.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:44 pm to Choupique19
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Simmons has an unbelievable "skill set". But Shaq's was greater. Many just remember Shaq from late in his NBA career as a big bruiser who only dunked. For most of Shaq's career he was the most unique combination of speed, agility, and power for a 7'0+ of all time. Shaq after his freshman year would be drafted first ahead of Simmons after his freshman year.
Shaq wasnt "Shaq" until his Soph year. He only flashed as a Freshman. Ben Simmons' stock as a Freshman is higher. There is no argument.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:45 pm to Choupique19
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Great post. I loathe watching us "pressure" the ball up near the time line only to watch the ball handler beat us off the dribble and take it to the basket for an easy layup.
I'm sure you shared my contempt last night when that happened and Ben moved out of the way giving an open layup to the Georgia player to avoid a foul that they still called on him anyway.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:54 pm to Lester Earl
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Shaq wasnt "Shaq" until his Soph year. He only flashed as a Freshman. Ben Simmons' stock as a Freshman is higher. There is no argument.
I don't see how you say this? Ben is not a finished product, and analyst point out how well he is "projected" to do at the next level as his game develops. Are you saying that people couldn't see that in Shaq as a 17 year old college freshman? The guy was 7'1, could run the floor, was very agile, could handle the ball, and was already a great shot blocker. Was he a finished product as a freshman, no. Was he a better player as a freshman than Ben is as a freshman, probably not. But NBA execs definitely could see the potential and it was well discussed, even at the time, that Shaq was a super NBA prospect.
As for Shaq wasn't "Shaq" until his sophomore year, that's because we had another once in a generation player at point guard on the same team. Go watch the McDonald's All American game Shaq's senior year and watch Dickie V go beserk talking about Shaq. Watch highlights from Shaq's freshman year at LSU, start with the 14 blocks vs Loyola-Marymount.
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