re: DLine Shift causing false start is a DLine penalty now

LSU has been penalized for that for some years now. We knew it was bs!

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No matter what BS a coach may say, the ONLY reason for that sudden and coordinated shift if to draw a penalty against the OL. The OL gets put in a spot where even the slightest of flinches could be called a penalty and the DL does that to try to create a flinch. It's chicken shite.

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Oh boy wait until you find out about the advantages given to the offense in this sport

It’s been that way since last year I think. One of the many reason I am not a fan of football like I used to be.

typical sec ref bullshite… now, when ANYBODY on the defense breaths, sniffles, farts, knuckle cracks, and/or looks frickin cross-eyed… an offensive player will whine, whimper, cry, bawl, you frickin name it, the refs will call it on the defense?!?!?!!!!!!!!… sec better hire more dumbass refs, the current idiots are goint to get warn out!!!!!… or… they are going to get warn out while running for their lives, because the whole entire fricking world can see just how frickin wrong this is!!!!… but, CAN THE SEC SEE HOW frickED UP THIS IS?????…

So anytime the D-line shift, somebody on the o-line needs to move.

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DLine Shift causing false start is a DLine penalty now

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Wrong.

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TLDR: if the Dline all shifts to the left or right and the Oline moves for what is normally a false start, it is now a defensive penalty.

This is stupid AF

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Wrong again.

Shifts are not now, nor have they ever been, a penalty. Not by the offense, and not by the defense.

Anyone can shift, offensive or defensive, and players can shift with other players.

What defensive lineman cannot do, just like offensive lineman cannot do, is engage in action that simulates a snap.

Shifting does NOT simulate a snap. A player, a group of players, or even the entire team shifting does NOT simulate a snap.

Moving your body or a part of your body in a manner that simulates a snap is a false start. Shifting is NOT a false start.

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No matter what BS a coach may say, the ONLY reason for that sudden and coordinated shift if to draw a penalty against the OL.

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Tell me you don't know football without telling me...

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No matter what BS a coach may say, the ONLY reason for that sudden and coordinated shift if to draw a penalty against the OL. The OL gets put in a spot where even the slightest of flinches could be called a penalty and the DL does that to try to create a flinch. It's chicken shite. Just like in basketball where you have guys stick out their leg on a shot, or flop, or initiate contact solely to draw a foul rather than try to execute the play, I don't like when teams do things for the sole purposes of drawing a penalty.

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Defensive shifting / stemming is not new. There are many valid reasons to use it that have nothing to do with drawing a penalty.

For example, stemming causes offensive linemen to recalibrate their responsibilities with little time to do so. Shifting / stemming can also be used to change defensive pressure after the QB has adjusted the play or protection. When properly timed, it can also be used to generate lateral momentum pre-snap to lock down specific gaps or limit particular blocking schemes.

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It was called under the category of "disconcerting signals" because the defense would shout something similar to the cadence of the QB to signal the shift. The only problem is the refs were inconsistent in calling it.

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There are three different issues referenced in this thread:

(1) shifts / stemming (legal),
(2) action simulating a snap (false start penalty), and
(3) disconcerting signals / acts (delay of game penalty).

Let's contrast the first two items. As I stated before, anyone on offense or defense can shift, by themselves or in conjunction with other teammates. That is legal. On the other hand, no one can engage in action that simulates a snap. That is a false start penalty.

There's a discernible difference between shifts and actions that simulate a snap. If defensive linemen shift positions left or right, that is not action that simulates a snap. That is a lateral shift of position. So if an official sees a defensive player or players shift positions laterally, the official will not call a false start penalty.

On the other hand, if a defensive players lunges, flinches, or waves his arm, that can be an actions that simulate a snap. An official can and should call that a false start penalty.

Let's contrast the last two items now. Actions that simulate a snap involve defensive player movement. Disconcerting signals / acts involve defensive player action that disrupts the offense's cadence / snap count / starting signal. Obviously, a defensive player clapping or yelling a cadence can violate this rule.

Hey, why not force the defense not to move for one second after the ball is snapped? How about that? So stupid

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the ONLY reason for that sudden and coordinated shift if to draw a penalty against the OL

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OR maybe the DLine wants to create last second confusion on OLine blocking assignments?