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re: Divinity, Charles and Moore suspended
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:30 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:30 pm to Goldrush25
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I don’t see what the point of s suspension is if you can decide to cancel it based on if you need the guy or not. Might as well just not suspend him.
i like it honestly, as long as the incident is not egregious.
doing it like this, He serves the punishment at some point either way, plus its a safeguard against getting beat (lord i hope we wouldnt get beat because Charles is out against GA southern).
99% chance they dont play this week no matter the score, but i would rather them be available just in case, rather than losing an becoming detrimental to the entire program.
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Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:30 pm to Broham
Well it’s officially the regular season
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:33 pm to SportTiger1
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i like it honestly, as long as the incident is not egregious.
doing it like this, He serves the punishment at some point either way, plus its a safeguard against getting beat (lord i hope we wouldnt get beat because Charles is out against GA southern).
99% chance they dont play this week no matter the score, but i would rather them be available just in case, rather than losing an becoming detrimental to the entire program.
Just seems like it's time the administration gets on the same page as the athletic department. Part of the reason why Bama is so well off is that those two entities are pulling in the same direction.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:34 pm to dnm3305
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dnm3305
i didn't say it should be legal or illegal. would it being legal make it any less mind altering? make it ok to operate equipment while under the influence? so on and so on......
just cause something is legal doesn't mean accountability and responsibility are removed from the equation. being legal won't makes the rules go away. alcohol is legal and there are rules for it. get caught breaking them, pay the price.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:34 pm to 1897
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Having physical side affects from withdrawal, ie. cold sweats, vomiting, fever, aches, pains, etc. Do not dispute that alcohol causes these side affects, and do not dispute that marijuana does not
Withdrawal is only one criteria for physical dependence. Increased tolerance is the other.
While discontinued use of cannabinoids does not lead to sever physical withdrawal, it does lead to cravings, irritability, and trouble concentrating in some users. While these symptoms are not as dangerous or overtly "physical" as other (i.e. sweats, nausea, delirium, seizures, lethargy), they are the result of changes in the brain. This will be surprising, but the brain is a physical organ which not only regulates the parts of the body that are easily visible but also our affect and behavior.
Do people generally smoke more cannabis over time to get the same high? Yes. There is the other part to physical dependence. Tolerance occurs in response to changes in the physical structure and/or chemical function in the brain, specifically in areas with primary or secondary effects on the dopamine reward pathway.
Alcohol withdrawal differs from opiate withdrawal differs from cocaine withdrawal differs from THC withdrawal, but they are all withdrawal. Using "psychological" versus "physical" is really semantic, and it is often used as a way to minimize the addictive potential of cannabis. Obviously, addiction to THC is different and usually less severe than addiction to other psychotropic chemicals, but it is still addiction.
I don't expect that information to change your beliefs. It seems like you are pretty dug in. There it is, though.
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:37 pm to lsu2006
quote:What do you mean "you people?"
God you people need to lighten up.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:37 pm to dnm3305
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dnm3305
shooting a 500 has nothing to do with being man enough, it's all in the grip.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:40 pm to LSU Patrick
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While discontinued use of cannabinoids does not lead to sever physical withdrawal, it does lead to cravings, irritability, and trouble concentrating in some users. While these symptoms are not as dangerous or overtly "physical" as other (i.e. sweats, nausea, delirium, seizures, lethargy), they are the result of changes in the brain. T
these are psychological issues.
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This will be surprising, but the brain is a physical organ which not only regulates the parts of the body that are easily visible but also our affect and behavior.
understood, but behavior is not a physical attribute of brain function- motor skills, i would give you.
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Do people generally smoke more cannabis over time to get the same high? Yes
No.. I know many people who have been smoking for long periods of time, that still smoke with the same methods, frequency, amounts and get the same results.
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Alcohol withdrawal differs from opiate withdrawal differs from cocaine withdrawal differs from THC withdrawal, but they are all withdrawal. Using "psychological" versus "physical" is really semantic, and it is often used as a way to minimize the addictive potential of cannabis. Obviously, addiction to THC is different and usually less severe than addiction to other psychotropic chemicals, but it is still addiction.
No it sounds more like the semantics lie in the inability to admit the difference in behavioral changes and physical changes. Tell me this- can withdrawal from alcohol, cocaine, heroin, amphetamines, etc result in death, even if in sparse, severe cases?
Now, can death occur from marijuana withdrawal?
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:46 pm to Broham
Well, if these suspensions are indeed the only ones, the positive out of this news is that all the Flott praise can now be taken at face value (Unless there's a separate injury to be discovered)
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:46 pm to Goldrush25
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What ridiculous narrative?
A suspension is a punitive action. What's the punitive nature of the action if you're telling the player you'll still get to play in the most important moments?
Trying to think of a hypothetical..
Let’s say you’re a sales manager. One of your employees is catching shite from HR because they took a customer out for drinks in the corporate card, and your company has a no-alcohol policy. But you think it’s bullshite because all of your competitors wine and dine customers non-stop, and it’s hurting your business.
HR tells you that the employee needs to be placed on administrative leave for a week, but gives you discretion to decide when. There is a major deal being closed in a few days and you’re worried that you’ll lose it without the employee.
Are you going to suspend him now, or wait until the deal closes?
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This particular version of a "suspension" is window dressing. For what reason, I don't know but they might as well just not suspend him and put our best foot forward for every damn game.
Pretty sure that’s would the HC would prefer, in most cases.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:53 pm to Goldrush25
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What ridiculous narrative?
The narrative that that is what is happening here.
You’d much rather make something up so you can hate on O as opposed to composing a rational thought? Why?
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:53 pm to 1897
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Tell me this- can withdrawal from alcohol, cocaine, heroin, amphetamines, etc result in death, even if in sparse, severe cases?
My fiancee'(no pics) is a nurse, and tells me you cannot die from cocaine, heroin, or amphetamine withdrawal. You will feel miserable, but not die from it.
The only drug that you can actually die from withdrawal is alcohol.
Then again, she's only a shitty nurse, not a doctor, so who knows.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:54 pm to 1897
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understood, but behavior is not a physical attribute of brain function
There is a ton of evidence that proves otherwise.
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can death occur from marijuana withdrawal?
Only alcohol withdrawal can cause death. Are you going to argue that only alcohol can lead "physical dependence" now?
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/30/19 at 2:57 pm to LSU Patrick
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Are you going to argue that only alcohol can lead "physical dependence" now?
No but im sure you will continue to argue that marijuana does. And you will continue to be basing that off of your own opinion.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 3:01 pm to Broham
This thread has gone to shite!! Bring this crap to the poli board!!
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/30/19 at 3:02 pm to 1897
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No.. I know many people who have been smoking for long periods of time, that still smoke with the same methods, frequency, amounts and get the same results.
Scientific studies demonstrate increased tolerance to THC. I'll trust them over your personal accounts.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 3:09 pm to 1897
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No but im sure you will continue to argue that marijuana does. And you will continue to be basing that off of your own opinion.
I have demonstrated that it is using empirically supported criteria. Your definition of physical dependence and withdrawal were incomplete. When I corrected you, you tried to shift to a reduced harm argument, which is an entirely different discussion. Cannabis is less harmful than alcohol, but both have addictive potential.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 3:10 pm to jmon
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This thread has gone to shite!! Bring this crap to the poli board!!
I apologize. I got drawn into the side topic. Dude doesn't want to learn anyway. I'm done.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 3:15 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:No, you just took a subjective issue and pretended like it was factual data. For every article you can post, i can post one to the contrary.
I apologize. I got drawn into the side topic. Dude doesn't want to learn anyway. I'm done.
Posted on 8/30/19 at 3:19 pm to Lester Earl
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Dude that is not going to happen. O has been Here 3 years, you would think y’all would understand how suspensions work
If Charles is suspended it will be announced befits the game, same with anyone else.
247 Article (Yesterday): Ed Orgeron mum on potential suspensions for LSU
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As has been typical, Orgeron said Thursday evening at his final media availability before the game that any team discipline will be kept "in house" and handled internally.
Bleacher Report (2017): Ed Orgeron Won't Announce LSU Suspensions to Keep 'Competitive Advantage'
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LSU head football coach Ed Orgeron said Thursday he's not going to publicly announce any discipline, including suspensions, given to Tigers players during the 2017 season in order to maintain a "competitive advantage" over the team's opponents.
The second-year coach said the program's rules remain in place and promised to punish players who break those standards, but he confirmed the information won't be made available.
"Here's the deal. I didn't want to announce any suspension—if they are. I didn't want to give BYU a competitive advantage. That's just the reason why," Orgeron told reporters.
ETA: Also, the LSU Compliance drug & alcohol policy clearly states that multiple-game suspensions are “not required to be consecutive”.
This post was edited on 8/30/19 at 3:22 pm
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