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re: Discontinuity in a 2 QB system >> JJ's added running ability
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:25 pm to MOT
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:25 pm to MOT
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There were two subs on the play. Jefferson for Lee, which didn't cause an issue. And Jacobs for Edwards, late, which is where the issue happened.
I'm not sure what the QB sub had to do with it.
Again, I am not blaming it on the players. Why are we swapping out like that? We were in the goal line package already, yet felt the need to sub multiple players to run a QB draw?
Les and his staff didn't really have that problem all season, yet the very first play they try to put JJ in, we see the problems of last season. It's an issue Les has clearly not fixed.
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we always have sub errors with JJ coming in
How many did we have during his 3rd quarter drive? Had to be 2 or 3, right?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:27 pm to RobbBobb
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Or did some confusion happen on the field the 1st time JJ entered the game? Resulting in a TO?
So you believe that simply the act of substituting Jefferson caused some other player to forget?
Jefferson came in Lee came out. End of Jefferson involvment.
I'm sorry that's too logical for you.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:28 pm to MOT
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How many did we have during his 3rd quarter drive? Had to be 2 or 3, right?
how is a drive where JJ is the QB the same as comparing a JJ substitution? apples and oranges
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:29 pm to Uncommon Cents
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Jefferson came in Lee came out. End of Jefferson involvment.
but our coaches always want to change our lineup when we put in JJ b/c the coaches want to run a completely different offense
THAT is where the errors come in. it's not JJ fricking up. he's a victim of circumstance
This post was edited on 10/2/11 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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THAT is where the errors come in. it's not JJ fricking up. he's a victim of circumstance
So why all the JJ hatred today? If things weren't his fault why are people like DOC on his azz?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we committed a penalty with 12 men
the ref didn't call it, and he should have. that ref needs to be suspended for being such a fricking idiot
Is it possible that the TO was called before the ref had time to see the 12th man? I think the other official had signalling for a timeout before the ref started his backpedalling and counting people.
Since the TO was called, it becomes a technical violation at worst - didn't effect anything except costing us a TO. I don't think KY has anything to bitch about.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:33 pm to Uncommon Cents
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So why all the JJ hatred today? If things weren't his fault why are people like DOC on his azz?
They aren't hating JJ. They are hating the idea of going back to the problems from last season. The offense seems to be moving smoothly in both phases and the second JJ is brought back into the fold the WRs are dropping balls, the OL blocking becomes extremely weak, and there is an overall uneasiness in the offense.
That isn't a coincidence. I don't blame JJ himself for this, but how the coaches seem to be handling it.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:35 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Is it possible that the TO was called before the ref had time to see the 12th man? I think the other official had signalling for a timeout before the ref started his backpedalling and counting people.
The ref was about to call it when the other official signaled the timeout call. Unfortunately, a timeout can't counter that penalty. It is still a penalty. The ref effed up.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:35 pm to Geaux2002
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and the second JJ is brought back into the fold the WRs are dropping balls, the OL blocking becomes extremely weak, and there is an overall uneasiness in the offense.
All of this began before JJ entered the game.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:35 pm to Uncommon Cents
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So why all the JJ hatred today?
it's the use of JJ. not JJ himself
he's a shitty QB, but people don't hate JJ
they hate our coaches' usage of him
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:35 pm to tigerfoot
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We have the 90th ranked offense in the country for the love of God.
Scoring offense is in the top 20. The defense and Brad Wing are giving the offense short fields, so total yards are going to skewed. If you can't see the difference in our offense from the past 2 years to this year with Lee running it, there's no point in arguing.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:36 pm to c on z
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All of this began before JJ entered the game.
i think he means "in the fold" as in on the team as a threat to play
and i think the "drops" argument is silly, personally
This post was edited on 10/2/11 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:36 pm to Geaux2002
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They aren't hating JJ. They are hating the idea of going back to the problems from last season.
I understand that. Losing 11 games hurt didn't it?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:37 pm to c on z
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All of this began before JJ entered the game.
Yes, I know. It just seemed the team was uneasy. It doesn't mean there was more to it than it being an early game, but it isn't just a coincidence that the team improved each game offensively, and then magically the game JJ is reinstated things start getting touchy.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:incorrect, or you don't remember when the battery investigation was going on.
but people don't hate JJ
People were demanding jail time, based on his poor play.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:37 pm to Uncommon Cents
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So you believe that simply the act of substituting Jefferson caused some other player to forget?
It was a package substitution. Since it hadnt been run, or even practiced this yr; Yeah someone forgot. Thats why JJ should be been eased in, not the first scoring drive back
Again, what was the TO for? Miles being goofy, or a substitution error?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:39 pm to medtiger
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Scoring offense is in the top 20. The defense and Brad Wing are giving the offense short fields, so total yards are going to skewed. If you can't see the difference in our offense from the past 2 years to this year with Lee running it, there's no point in arguing.
this
people that keep bringing up total offense are fricking dumb
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:40 pm to Geaux2002
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The ref was about to call it when the other official signaled the timeout call. Unfortunately, a timeout can't counter that penalty. It is still a penalty. The ref effed up.
Was about to? But didn't?
That's what you are hanging on to?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think he means "in the fold" as in on the team as a threat to play
and i think the "drops" argument is silly, personally
First part, yes. I don't mean to imply the drops were because of JJ or some conspiracy. I think it's simply a distraction that affected the team. Have him back changes the dynamics on the team a bit.
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