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Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:29 am to tybaker5
quote:haha, you fool.
was on the Orgeron train with the best of them when this whole thing began
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did Orgeron really earn anything
Does it matter? O was just replying to a caller. What else was O supposed to say? No coach would ever say "yeah, you're right, I didn't earn it and shouldn't be here and I quit."
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:31 am to ChewyDante
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If we refused to add a buy out clause, or set it at perhaps $1 million instead of $12 million, was Orgeron going to refuse the job? Give ne an f'ing break. It's embarrassing.
Truth.
This past weekend, Coach O's biggest 2016 supporters, Bobby and T-Bob Hebert on Podcasts and on WWL Saints postgame show were singing a different tune that O is not the answer and more than not the answer, he is a problem. Bobby went off (drunkenly?) this LSU team has no right to get to practice like an NFL team, they need to be hitting hitting and hitting all week.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:31 am to tybaker5
if he had beaten bama last year, or even florida, i could buy the "i've earned it" argument. but he just beat up on a bunch of crappy/mediocre teams.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:31 am to tybaker5
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Did he really "earn it?"
No.
Look...there was a fairly well understood belief last season that Orgeron would have to run the table after taking over for Miles (with the exception of BAMA) to even be REALLY considered for the job.
Why is that, do you think?
Easy. Because he was currently serving as LSU's DL coach, and prior to that he was unemployed. In addition, SC had passed on making him them permanent coach after he slid into their interim job after Kiffen was fired, and prior to that he'd made Ole Miss an even bigger laughing stock than they had been in the ONE time he'd been lucky enough to be given the reigns to his own program. In order to land the LSU job...a job that EVERYONE understood was a Top 10 job in college football, he'd have to do something extraordinary to prove that his name needed to even be on the list, let along be handed the keys.
And what happened? Well...the team looked energized and played well for a bit...then proceeded to lose to all remaining decent teams on the schedule. And each time that happened, the goal posts were moved...
So no. There was nothing extraordinary he did to get his name even on the list of potential candidates. He was GIVEN the job by an AD who got angry that his first real target in Tom Herman wanted to negotiate, and turned to a guy who'd gladly take what was offered rather than go back on the hunt for a true replacement to Miles. And this happened despite the fact that LSU fired Miles after WEEK FOUR of the season, and were still acting as if they had no luck in finding anyone willing to take our job.
I get why Orgeron would say it, but by doing so all it should do is make people ask, "But did you?"
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:32 am to RB10
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RB10
I was agreeing with you supporting your reply to him. Simple read.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:32 am to SamuelClemens
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Seemed liked every candidate ahead of him didn't want the job. So he earned it by attrition.
Well...that's true, once you admit that he was mystifyingly #3 on LSU's chart.
How he was that high is the real problem, right?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:34 am to SamuelClemens
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I was agreeing with you supporting your reply to him. Simple read.
I'm aware. I'm using your response to call him out for a second time to give an answer. Simple read.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:39 am to GeauxTigerTM
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How he was that high is the real problem, right?
Right.
There were plenty of OCs and DCs ready to take the reigns of a bigtime program that would have been a better hire than O. The fact LSU media had the mantra "It has to be a guy with HC experience, not a coordinator with no HC experience" was shortsighted.
And in addition to him being #3, the $12 million buyout made fixing a mistake impossible.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:41 am to tybaker5
Yes, he worked really hard on that binder.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:42 am to tybaker5
If Miles had gone 6-2 down the stretch in 16 he would have been fired at season end. Why would that performance earn Orgeron the job?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:43 am to SamuelClemens
Bull. 2 coaches is not every candidate. There are 50 people more qualified than O.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:48 am to tybaker5
Your "what the hell, give it to Ed O" is part of the problem. Too many in LA and associated with LSU don't have a strong vision or belief that we CAN do better.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:50 am to SamuelClemens
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There were plenty of OCs and DCs ready to take the reigns of a bigtime program that would have been a better hire than O.
Without question. Hell...we had one on staff that I'd have given a shot.
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The fact LSU media had the mantra "It has to be a guy with HC experience, not a coordinator with no HC experience" was shortsighted.
I don't agree with this. While I'd have been comfortable with a great up and coming coordinator, I'd have preferred a proven head coach with a solid track record, even from a smaller school. Problem was, it's like we had no real list with potential candidates on it. or if we did, it read three names deep, and somehow our DL coach's name was fricking third.
But we need to stop suggesting that there were no qualified head coaches anywhere in organized football that were willing to come coach at LSU for millions of dollars a year, and THAT'S how we got Orgeron. Not suggesting you are, but it's been implied so many times that it's starting to become its own meme.
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And in addition to him being #3, the $12 million buyout made fixing a mistake impossible.
The $12,000,000 buyout should be enough to not only fire Alleva, but making his radioactive to any university looking to hire him as their AD after he gets shite canned here. That buyout is so mindnumbingly ridiculous that it ought to WARRANT an FBI investigation, but anything that crazy looking almost CERTAINLY has to be fishy.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:53 am to sicboy
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He worked his Cajun arse off to convince the right people to hire him, so in that sense, he sure did earn it.
In a sense, you're right. From the first second he became the interim coach he began a campaign to get the head job. He hires a freaking sports radio host to be his personal assistant and then does EVERYTHING the opposite of Les to curry favor with fans and administration. Once he gets the permanent job all that stops.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:56 am to tybaker5
if you call stabbing Miles in the Kidney "earning it "
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:57 am to GeauxTigerTM
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But we need to stop suggesting that there were no qualified head coaches anywhere in organized football that were willing to come coach at LSU for millions of dollars a year
Agreed. Just because 1&2 used LSU to leverage other jobs, does not mean 10+ other really good coaches would not have been willing to come to BR.
I'd like to see Alleva's list of who he contacted or made contacts with their agents. And I'd like that list to be made public front sports page so if he tried to make up a list, those others could say he never contacted them or their agents.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 8:58 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:59 am to Alt26
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Once he gets the permanent job all that stops.
It's like he suddenly stopped trying. I'd think the guy would have a strong want to win it all.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:02 am to Lebowski
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Too many in LA and associated with LSU don't have a strong vision or belief that we CAN do better.
That's why Louisiana will always be third rate.
Certain groups of the population, and we all know who they are, thinks Orgeron hung the F'ing moon, the same class of characters that work 6 months out of the year, and drag up on the dole for 6 months so they can hunt and fish...you know them
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:03 am to SamuelClemens
Can u dumb arse people let LES go! We may not have a great coach, but give him some time!Too many freshman this year, gonna be a long season! 
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