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re: Dick Vitale says 'major allegations' coming for LSU and Arizona
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:49 am to MightyYat
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:49 am to MightyYat
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Can you or Lester please tell the class what rule they'll say Wade broke and the proof of said broken rule?
I’m not privy to any information gathered by the NCAA, outside of what is public. You guys keep acting like they will publish findings along the way
I do know they have Wade on wiretap twice talking about players with Dawkins. I do know they targeted Wade dating back to VCU before that. And we know foundation & background of the things Dawkins was involved in. Which of course is against the law & against NCAA policy:
All of this is a damn good starting point for an investigation. I’ve said all along the burden is on the NCAA & it will be tough to prove. I feel like a corner has been turned tho with this documentary & I am worried about Wade’s future, especially given that several people have said NOA is imminent
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:51 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:52 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
I seent it
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:53 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Then tell me who Wade paid, and tell me how much?
I don't know. Maybe the NCAA knows. However, don't forget that"admitting" you made offers (on the FBI wiretap) is a violation of NCAA rules. Money does not have to exchange hands for it to be a major violation. So, none of that really matters. Are you saying that YOU believe WW did not pay anyone, ever? If you think he did, why would the NCAA not think that as well (and they don't operate on "courtroom proof" principals)?
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So, with this strong evidence
The strong evidence is WW's own words.....HE MADE OFFERS TO OTHER ATHLETES INCLUDING SMART. THIS MEANS WW "THE GANGSTA" HAS MADE OFFERS TO MULTIPLE ATHLETES!! BY HIS OWN ADMISSION!! HOW IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
Look, try to understand these undisputed pieces of evidence:
1. The NCAA does not need PROOF (especially not the kind you profess).
2. The NCAA can and will make decisions on circumstantial evidence (and they have plenty of that).
3. WW's own words are evidence and an admission that he was, at the very least offering to pay players....which is a major NCAA violation.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:54 am to Lester Earl
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All of this is a damn good starting point for an investigation
So, you believe that hearing, in the documentary, the exact same thing they had read over a year ago, was the smoking gun they have been needing?
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:58 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Got heeeeeeemmmm
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:01 pm to Irish LSU Fan
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I don't know
But you are saying that there is proof over and over and over again. Now, you don't know? Don't you think these things would have also been discussed on those recordings between Dawkins and Wade?
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However, don't forget that"admitting" you made offers (on the FBI wiretap) is a violation of NCAA rules.
So he admitted to making a monetary offer on the recording? I don't think he did. You can assume that, but the NCAA can't go off of assumptions. I know you keep repeating that they don't need proof, like a court, but they do need more than those recordings provided.
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Are you saying that YOU believe WW did not pay anyone, ever? If you think he did, why would the NCAA not think that as well
Of course I think he did. So, you think the NCAA just operates on what they THINK they know? That's ridiculous, but not surprising coming for you.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:07 pm to Rosenblatt
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So two people can say you did something and you’re presumed guilty with no proof? Is that how the NCAA operates?
If one of those "people" is the accused on an FBI wiretap admitting he has offered (and probably paid) players and the other is also an FBI wiretap of "third parties" discussing the details of the first person's (the accused) efforts to pay players........then yes. This is how the NCAA works. Both of these conversations are examples of circumstantial evidence that indicates WW is in violation of NCAA rules. Even though the NCAA is not a court of law, circumstantial evidence is used daily to convict individuals of serious crimes.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:19 pm to Irish LSU Fan
I mean the NCAA can technically do whatever it wants. You’re right. But historically they almost always have an admission by someone that the actual bad act took place. The player, the booster, etc. Hence why they lean on players so much to eat out former schools or schools that recruited them.
Further, this evidence would not remotely convict wade in a court of law. No prosecutor would have been bring a charge based on this. No actual mention of the illicit product, no proof of transfer, no anything. That’s why again, in real drug cases, which are the most analogous, the playbook is get an undercover agent to do an actual recorded buy from a street level guy, and then get him to flip on his supplier, and on up the chain you go.
Bc one vague conversation that seems to imply is not enough
Further, this evidence would not remotely convict wade in a court of law. No prosecutor would have been bring a charge based on this. No actual mention of the illicit product, no proof of transfer, no anything. That’s why again, in real drug cases, which are the most analogous, the playbook is get an undercover agent to do an actual recorded buy from a street level guy, and then get him to flip on his supplier, and on up the chain you go.
Bc one vague conversation that seems to imply is not enough
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:29 pm to tigerfan88
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I mean the NCAA can technically do whatever it wants. You’re right.
No he's not. If the NCAA could just "do whatever they want" as people like him and Pirate Kuck keep parroting, they would have slapped LSU with sanctions over a year ago. They have evidentiary standards and burdens of proof in their hearings and investigations which they have to abide by.
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Bc one vague conversation that seems to imply is not enough.
Correct. Even if they actually get their hands on this tape.
shite, there may be a smoking gun out there. But we surely haven't seen or heard about it if there is one.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:36 pm to TabledTiger
I fricking hate that dude
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:53 pm to Irish LSU Fan
What did Coach Wade offer on that recording?
Can you quote where Coach Wade admitted to paying a player and where he admits to breaking any rules?
All I’ve seen is a vague use of language that lacks any admission of wrongdoing. Some have chosen to assume what the meaning behind the language is, but the language itself is very vague.
Can you quote where Coach Wade admitted to paying a player and where he admits to breaking any rules?
All I’ve seen is a vague use of language that lacks any admission of wrongdoing. Some have chosen to assume what the meaning behind the language is, but the language itself is very vague.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 1:10 pm to Rosenblatt
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Can you quote where Coach Wade admitted to paying a player and where he admits to breaking any rules?
I believe last year someone dug into the rule book and found something that says that just discussing any impermissible benefits is a violation. If that's the case, the rookie minimum would fit even if it was just a joke. Then, I'm not sure how the whole "tilted towards the family" thing would come into play either. Is it a violation to offer the family anything at all? I'm definitely too lazy to go look all that shite up.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 1:38 pm to PiscesTiger
That was my cliffs.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 1:46 pm to T
Nassir Little's coach was running a scam and kept the money for himself. Little and his father also signed sworn affidavits, under the penalty of perjury, that they never received any money.
LINK
You know, if Wade really wants to clear his name and prove his innocence then maybe he should sign an affidavit that he never offered any impermissible benefits to recruits.
LINK
You know, if Wade really wants to clear his name and prove his innocence then maybe he should sign an affidavit that he never offered any impermissible benefits to recruits.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 4/3/20 at 2:13 pm to TabledTiger
I thought Pat Forde was awful. Vitale is worse.
Sounds like Vitale is trying to induce a pre-emptive strike, knowing that next year's basketball team looks strong.
Sounds like Vitale is trying to induce a pre-emptive strike, knowing that next year's basketball team looks strong.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 2:16 pm to Lester Earl
Damm, you gonna be so pissed
Posted on 4/3/20 at 2:19 pm to Irish LSU Fan
You need some Irish coffee. U sound so butt hurt! 
Posted on 4/3/20 at 2:22 pm to EXPLAYER
Pissed about what?
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