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re: Dellenger: Dave Aranda Interview tidbits

Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:12 am to
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:12 am to
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WR will *likely be improved as a unit but jury is still out


Having a Biletnikoff award candidate pretty much guarantees improvement to the WR corps.

Signing the #1 rated WR in the nation and another 5-star WR that a couple sites had rated higher than the #1 guy certainly won't hurt either.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:13 am to
I think The DL will be better if they stay healthy. I’ll take Alexander and Fehoko over Lacouture and Gilmore even though I think The latter were underrated.

LBs should be good. White will progress another year. Taylor should be really good year 2, and Philips should push too.

I think chaisson uear 2 will play better than Key working back into shape.

If Fulton plays and is as good as we hope, CBS should be good. If either goes down it gets scary.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:14 am to
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Every upgrade you've noted is addition by subtraction.

So adding Shelvin and Fehoko to the DL is addition by subtraction?

Adding 2 5 star recruits, 2 4 star recruits, and Giles to the WR group is addition by subtraction?

I don't think you have much of an interest in being honest on this topic

Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43851 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:15 am to
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So adding Shelvin and Fehoko to the DL is addition by subtraction?


It's the definition.

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Adding 2 5 star recruits, 2 4 star recruits, and Giles to the WR group is addition by subtraction?


Again, the definition.

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I don't think you have much of an interest in being honest on this topic


I don't think you understand what addition by subtraction refers to.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24554 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:18 am to
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Miles put most of that class together my friend.


Miles was fired in September 2016. Did the recruits think it was only temporary and Miles would once again return to LSU and be their head coach?

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Though O did his best to destroy it by offering Tua who everyone knew was never coming here.


That was done when Kiffin was coming to LSU. EVERYONE did NOT know what was going on. The only people who would have known were Tua and Kiffin.

People bitch when LSU doesn't offer the best players in the nation and then they bitch when they do.

No win situation under these circumstances.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:18 am to
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I don't think you understand what addition by subtraction refers to.



I think you're the one having a difficult time with it

Why don't you tell us what you think it means
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:19 am to
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That was done when Kiffin was coming to LSU


Kiffin was never coming to LSU, not to work under Orgeron.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:20 am
Posted by tigerborderjumper
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:21 am to
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Will there be another excuse if we stagnate or worsen?


There will be many and well rehearsed.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43851 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:22 am to
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I think you're the one having a difficult time with it

Why don't you tell us what you think it means


You're saying all of the DL and LB replacing the starters from 2017 are going to be better. Every single one. You're also saying all of those freshman WRs are going to be better than Chark and Gage.

Basically, you're looking at a bunch of unknowns and declaring that they are going to better than the players they will be replacing. That, by definition, is addition by subtraction.

Any thing else you need explained to you today?
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:27 am to
No, it’s not hope. It’s educated assumptions. When your marginal starters leave and they are replaced by more talented players, the position is upgraded.

There is no question that Brennan/Narcisse > than Etling.

WR=hope for sure but I forgot about Giles in my post and he makes the argument even better that this group will be better. Not to mention, better QB benefits the WRs.

My OL take onlybtalks about the players that are returning and like I mentioned, it can’t be any worse than the start of last year.

DL is also fact. Alexander was better than Gilmore the past 2 seasons and Aranda said Fehoko is better than Lawrence. I don’t think Aranda would say shite like that without it being true.

ILB- taylor was better than Alexander last year so that’s an obvious upgrade.

Safety- even you agree that this group is better.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:27 am to
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You're saying all of the DL and LB replacing the starters from 2017 are going to be better. Every single one.

Actually I didn't say that. You just made it up because as I pointed out earlier you're not a very honest person. One thing that is true is that we will have much better depth on the defensive line. Something that hurt us early on in the season.

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You're also saying all of those freshman WRs are going to be better than Chark and Gage.

Did not say that either. You like making shite up don't you? I'm saying that the 4 freshman + Giles + our returning receivers will likely be a better overall unit. I don't think that's a stretch. Chark was a great play maker but Gage wasn't elite by any stretch.

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Any thing else you need explained to you today?

Not by someone as dumb as you that's for sure
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:31 am to
Tiger Rant

That's why people are worried.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43851 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:33 am to
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There is no question that Brennan/Narcisse > than Etling.


Well, this is wrong.

So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.


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WR=hope for sure but I forgot about Giles in my post and he makes the argument even better that this group will be better. Not to mention, better QB benefits the WRs.



Giles should be good. Dee Anderson can't stay out of the shithouse and Sullivan is inconsistent. Not to mention neither could get regular PT over Gage.

So, a push, like I said. Got it.

So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.

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My OL take onlybtalks about the players that are returning and like I mentioned, it can’t be any worse than the start of last year.


Losing to two best Olinemen will always hurt, especially when one is the center and makes all the calls.

So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.

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DL is also fact. Alexander was better than Gilmore the past 2 seasons and Aranda said Fehoko is better than Lawrence. I don’t think Aranda would say shite like that without it being true.


So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.

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ILB- taylor was better than Alexander last year so that’s an obvious upgrade.


So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.


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No, it’s not hope.


Right.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8975 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:41 am to
You obviously have no desire to have any real debate. The only position that we haven’t seen the new starter out play the old starter is WR.

The only reason you are clinging to this “hope” argument is because it would pain you to admit that we took any positive steps with O at the helm.

Anyone watching last year could see that Alexander>Gilmore, Taylor>Donnie, and that Brennan’s arm talent >>>>>Etling.

I’m sure you were dogging Etling and praising Brennan during the season but now that it helps your argument you’re gonna be shy about the QBs.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:45 am to
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Well, this is wrong.

So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.



I'm willing to call this an unknown for this reason. I think both have a higher ceiling but Etling was pretty good with protecting the football if nothing else.
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Giles should be good. Dee Anderson can't stay out of the shithouse and Sullivan is inconsistent. Not to mention neither could get regular PT over Gage.

So, a push, like I said. Got it.

So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.

I don't think there is any rational reason to believe that they will be worse however.

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Losing to two best Olinemen will always hurt, especially when one is the center and makes all the calls.


I'm not convinced we lost our best 2 lineman. But you do have a valid point about Clapp.

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So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.

No. We can be certain that the DL group will be better based on depth alone. Even Aranda has said as much.
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So, we hope they are better, but don't actually know.

LB group will also be upgraded. This isn't an unknown.



Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24554 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:49 am to
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his first full class was disappointing for a guy who brings little else to the table.


Be disappointed if you want, but the #15 class in the nation is not as bad as you sad-sacks would like others to believe.

For example these are Clemson's class rankings;
2013: 15 Clemson
2014: 16 Clemson
2015: 9 Clemson
2016: 11 Clemson
2017: 16 Clemson

You may have heard of the team above - they have been in the playoffs the last couple of years and won it all for the 2016 season.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43851 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:49 am to
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Did not say that either. You like making shite up don't you? I'm saying that the 4 freshman + Giles + our returning receivers will likely be a better overall unit. I don't think that's a stretch. Chark was a great play maker but Gage wasn't elite by any stretch.


It's funny because I think the WRs could be better as well. What I'm not going to do is sit here and proclaim that they WILL be. That's that difference between being realistic and blindly optimistic.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how LSU will be better in 2018 without using hope as their catalyst.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:55 am to
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What I'm not going to do is sit here and proclaim that they WILL be.

Which is why I used the term likely
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:56 am to
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For example these are Clemson's class rankings; 2013: 15 Clemson 2014: 16 Clemson 2015: 9 Clemson 2016: 11 Clemson 2017: 16 Clemson

You may have heard of the team above - they have been in the playoffs the last couple of years and won it all for the 2016 season.


I forget, was Clemson playing in the SEC West during these years?

You cannot win with this caliber of class in the SEC, certainly not when Bama and UGA are pulling in top 5 classes.

Go around the corner and just tell him to go get the players and stop trying to prove he's a good coach. The latter takes away from his ability to do the former.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:58 am
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24554 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:56 am to
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Miles put most of that class together my friend.


Oh and Frank Wilson was the RC for that class until January 2016. Coach Eaux was then the RC from January until he was named interim head coach. It wasn't entirely Miles who put the class together.
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