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re: Deep dive into baseball postseason (what is best for LSU)

Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:26 am to
Posted by CP3LSU25
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:26 am to
so now if we don't win we might miss the tourney.
Posted by meldawg399
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:34 am to
Winning vs MSU gave us a temporary RPI boost but going 0-2 will knock us back to #46. RPI is relative and if #41-50 win 2 games and we lose today, they could all zip past LSU. I think if we win today, we lock into a spot. If we lose, we'll be on the bubble. Depends on what the teams below us and just above us in RPI do in their tournaments and how many bids get stolen from those already locked in. Big 10 and Big 12 are going badly for us and Northeastern is currently losing 6-1.
Posted by meldawg399
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:36 am to
It would help us if Iowa and Texas could beat Ohio St and OU.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:40 am to
another thing to look at is ELO LSU is 25 in this

Other bubble teams
Kentucky 34
Miami 30
Baylor 23
Washington 54
DBU 44
Missouri 43
ULL 38
Texas A&M 13

There is a lot to consider but if the committee doesn't put to much emphasis on road record and RPI we are in, if they do we may be out.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:44 am to
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so now if we don't win we might miss the tourney


This was always the case. I've said about 100 times that it all depends on two things.

1- how many bids get stolen. We still don't know exactly how many at-large spots there will be.

2- how the committe feels about having 9,10, or 11 SEC teams in. If they put the best available bubble teams in, then LSU is pretty safe. If the committe says only 10 SEC teams are getting in, then it becomes a LSU vs UK battle.

LSU will ALWAYS be on the bubble. Outside of winning the tournament, they will never be 100% safely in. Now, winning more games makes the chances much better.

In my opinion, LSU is getting in. But you can make arguments for keeping them out.
Posted by meldawg399
nola
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:46 am to
I think of we beat UF last night, we'd be in even 0-2 after that.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:52 am to
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I think of we beat UF last night, we'd be in even 0-2 after that


Probably so. Not just because it was UF. The chances to get in go up with each win, no matter who it is against at this point. We aren't going to play any team that isn't a national seed, or lock to be in a regional.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 11:53 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:57 am to
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how the committe feels about having 9,10, or 11 SEC teams in.


This is the biggest variable and it's why I hate being on the bubble.

The SEC is head and shoulders above everyone else, and the gap is greater this year than it is in normal years. BUT, there is always a nebulous "grow the game" push by the committee that typically just serves to frick the SEC and reward a northern school.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:59 am to
The help the northern school thing is why our RPI is in the 40s. Home wins count as less than 1 win in the RPI formula.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:05 pm to
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Home wins count as less than 1 win in the RPI formula.


I don't have a problem with that part necessarily. I think the weights are still too heavy though.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

This is the biggest variable and it's why I hate being on the bubble.

The SEC is head and shoulders above everyone else, and the gap is greater this year than it is in normal years. BUT, there is always a nebulous "grow the game" push by the committee that typically just serves to frick the SEC and reward a northern school.


Yep. And it is why we can never say we are off the bubble.

Should going 15-15 in conference have done the trick? Probably so.

Should beating Miss St have locked us in? Probably so.

You just never know though.

It is why Ell has not been wrong with his argument that LSU needs to win one more, although logic will tell you that LSU should be pretty much locked in already.

If the committe wants only 10 SEC teams in, then they will cherry pick the category to keep somebody out.

If Kentucky is left out they will say, "We put a big emphasis on conference record, and UK only won 13."

If LSU is left out they will say, "We focused mainly on RPI and road record. That is why LSU was left out."

The committee will have questions to answer if either LSU or Kentucky is left out, because there will be multiple teams that get in with a uglier resume. What you going to do though?
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 12:14 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:22 pm to
My whole point is that we aren't a lock and that the committee could easily put UK in over LSU.

I won't be surprised if LSU gets in and UK doesn't. I won't be surprised if both make it in or both get left out. What I'm mainly arguing is this consensus that LSU is already in the NCAAT just because D1 had them in the last 5 in. D1 isn't the committee and D1 has to (understandably) go with chalk for the 1-bid conferences.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59597 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:26 pm to
I think most of us realize that we aren't a lock. Stolen Bids and not being favored by the committee could make us miss this year. But looking at everything, more points to us going in than not.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 12:27 pm
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59597 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:43 pm to
Tennessee Tech taking care of business 4-0 in the 6th.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:49 pm to
A couple tournaments that aren't favoring LSU right now is ACC and Big 12. Pitt has worked themselves into the semi finals. Miami has a shot as well, which would be a big blow. Hopefully Clemson takes care of business.

Texas has been eliminated too I think.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87202 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:53 pm to
Yes. Texas is out and takes an AL.
Posted by meldawg399
nola
Member since Oct 2008
1177 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:53 pm to
Yes to all your points. We need Duke to win their pod...going into extras right now with the weakest team in their pod. All the ACC games today have implications...I want UVA knocked out too.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59597 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:54 pm to
I know Miami is a bubble team

but it would seem Pitt needs to win it all to make it. They won't be an at-large despite being in the semis.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59597 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:55 pm to
two on no outs for Duke 10th inning.

Edit: make it bases loaded
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted by meldawg399
nola
Member since Oct 2008
1177 posts
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:56 pm to
A win moves us to #38 in RPI and a loss puts us at #45.
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