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re: Daniel Cabrera and Cole Henry may be back next season
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:28 am to ProjectP2294
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:28 am to ProjectP2294
Why are you so argumentative with people when it comes to baseball related posts? You don’t know everything like you think you do, and other people are entitled to an opinion. For fricks sake, take a step back
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:31 am to Broski
I dont see how cabrera comes back, as he would lose the little leverage he has had, and he is a projected late first / early second round pick.
Henry would have a little leverage, but he is similarly slated, late first or 2nd round pick
Henry would have a little leverage, but he is similarly slated, late first or 2nd round pick
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:34 am to josh336
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I dont see how cabrera comes back, as he would lose the little leverage he has had, and he is a projected late first / early second round pick
If the NCAA allows seniors to return as seniors, but juniors would have to return as seniors, that would be an absolute crock of shite.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:40 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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If the NCAA allows seniors to return as seniors, but juniors would have to return as seniors, that would be an absolute crock of shite.
I agree. I just have a feeling they're going to frick all of it up somehow.
It's the D1 committee, not all of the NCAA, making the decision. But they've proven in the past that they give two fricks about baseball, or the baseball coaches' opinions. So I could see them giving relief to everyone and still keeping the 11.7 and 35, or something similarly dumb.
We would have over 50 guys on campus in the fall, some schools would have close to 60.
Also, the NJCAA is allowing relief, so their rosters will be crowded as well.
And as I've said before, we're still recruiting more players for next season. (everyone is)
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:42 am to moneyg
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His last outing was the one where his velocity dropped and they pulled him early, right?
Yeah and he was scheduled to go the very next weekend. Covid saves Cole Henry from Paul and saved his career.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:59 am to ProjectP2294
I said before that LSU wouldn't be affected by the new draft date in terms of draft eligible sophomores, but this is from FanGraphs on some players and teams that would be:
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We’re still waiting for clarification on a few important details. The current CBA states that players who turn 21 within 45 days of the draft are eligible for selection. This year’s draft was originally scheduled for June 10-12, which meant sophomores born before July 25, 1999 were eligible to be picked this year. If the draft date moves to late-July, as Ken Rosenthal suggested was a possibility, then barring some rule change, several sophomores who weren’t thought to be eligible until 2021 (including several I have first round grades on, like Tennessee infielder Max Ferguson, Florida St. outfielder Robby Martin, and UCLA shortstop Matt McLain) suddenly would be. It’s unlikely this happens and more likely MLB retains the cutoff date even if they move the draft, but it’s not yet official.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:23 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
From what ive heard and read, there is a real possibility that only seniors get the extra year back, not freshmen, sophomores, or juniors
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:48 am to josh336
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From what ive heard and read, there is a real possibility that only seniors get the extra year back, not freshmen, sophomores, or juniors
That's total BS when it comes to juniors in baseball. Totally screws them out of every bit of leverage they have. They either go, in a jacked up draft, or come back as a senior. Either way most of them will lose a lot of money. For something that is completely out of their control, it's trash. You would like to think that the people making decisions would look out for the best interest of the kids in this situation, in every way possible. This seems to be the exact opposite of that.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:55 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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You would like to think that the people making decisions would look out for the best interest of the kids in this situation, in every way possible.
Both groups charged with making the decision are only thinking about their own self interests. The MLBPA (from the draft side) will give up ground on issues related to amateurs and minor leaguers because they're not members of the MLBPA but those things are covered by the CBA.
For the NCAA side, it's D1 athletic directors that only see baseball as an expense and are deathly afraid of the financial consequences of giving relief to everyone, expanding scholarships, expanding rosters, etc.
I wonder what this does for guys like Arnold and Hilliard. They should absolutely get to redshirt.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:34 am to ProjectP2294
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@KendallRogers
Playing the hypothetical game based on intel. 1) There’s a legitimate chance no one gets a year back. Two Power Fives want no one to get a year back, and anyone familiar with the D1 Council knows that ‘could’ spell trouble.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:45 am to TigerCub
I'm guessing that's the Pac 12 and Big 10. They sponsor the most sports, so they would have to spend the most money on all those players getting additional eligibility.
They also have sway with smaller conferences.
They also have sway with smaller conferences.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:00 pm to chinco banditos
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he doesn't get drafted he will still sign with an organization to get his career started.
He will not do this just because it means that he would get no signing bonus money.
Henry is in a good spot because, as a sophomore, he still has leverage after all this.
Cabrera and other draft-eligible juniors are fricked because their choice is to either enter a 5-round draft and risk not getting drafted or return to college as a senior where they lose all of their signing leverage for the next draft.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:03 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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If the NCAA allows seniors to return as seniors, but juniors would have to return as seniors, that would be an absolute crock of shite.
That's what is going to happen, would be a major headache otherwise.
It's either eligibility relief for seniors or no eligibility relief at all -- which is very possible.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:31 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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That's total BS when it comes to juniors in baseball. Totally screws them out of every bit of leverage they have. They either go, in a jacked up draft, or come back as a senior. Either way most of them will lose a lot of money. For something that is completely out of their control, it's trash. You would like to think that the people making decisions would look out for the best interest of the kids in this situation, in every way possible. This seems to be the exact opposite of that.
Yeah, it sucks for them for sure. But look around, this thing is sucking for a whole lot of people, and a lot more than a handful of guys losing draft leverage. Our initial reaction was it would be most fair to just let everybody come back with the same eligibility they began this year with. But there are so many unintended consequences with that we can’t possibly begin to consider because it doesn’t affect us.
Again, it sucks for them, but there are worse tragedies than Daniel Cabrera having to choose between leaving now for a smaller signing bonus than he expected or coming back for his senior year. Honestly, it may be in his best interest to put on about 10 pounds of muscle, come back, and try to add a little more power to his game. I have been very surprised with his lack of development there. But I expect him to leave regardless. It takes too long to get to the bigs anyway, without adding an extra year to get started.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:40 pm to Broski
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Cabrera and other draft-eligible juniors are fricked because their choice is to either enter a 5-round draft and risk not getting drafted or return to college as a senior where they lose all of their signing leverage for the next draft.
They can get drafted and still come back if they can’t get a deal done.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:42 pm to southernelite
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They can get drafted and still come back if they can’t get a deal done.
Sure, but they lose all of their leverage when they are drafted as seniors as opposed to juniors.
A junior drafted in the 6th or 7th round will get a higher signing bonus than a senior drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round.
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