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re: Could Miles have done what Saban did at LSU?
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:51 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:51 pm to Y.A. Tittle
without Saban, miles doesnt come to LSU and have success. Who knows what he's doing
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:52 pm to tirebiter
The point is not that Saban is not a good coach. He is. Saban is a good coach.
The point is that what Saban accomplished was also accomplished by DiNardo. They both brought winning teams to the field after years of losing teams. DiNardo had more years of losing to rebuild.
Saban is a good coach. He is at least as good as DiNardo.
Miles is also a good coach.
They are both good coaches.
The point is that what Saban accomplished was also accomplished by DiNardo. They both brought winning teams to the field after years of losing teams. DiNardo had more years of losing to rebuild.
Saban is a good coach. He is at least as good as DiNardo.
Miles is also a good coach.
They are both good coaches.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:52 pm to just me
I think anyone who can recruit and is an elite coach could have done it. I think Miles falls into that category.
The fact that the state and region has so much talent makes it a lot easier to build a strong program.
The fact that the state and region has so much talent makes it a lot easier to build a strong program.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:01 pm to just me
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The point is that what Saban accomplished was also accomplished by DiNardo. They both brought winning teams to the field after years of losing teams. DiNardo had more years of losing to rebuild.
Tiger fans must have missed DiNardo's MNC. I will be the first to acknowledge sustained success of a program these days is extremely difficult due to increased competition and the law of numbers will hit a program at some point, the longer one is entrenched the more likely it will happen. Ie, inordinant injuries in a season, multiple players kicked off a team in one season, multiple highly regarded recruits don't pan out, assistant coach turnover and inadvertent lesser hires, etc. I don't knock what Miles has accomplished tenure-to-date, I just don't have the body of work to point to that he would have been as successful as Saban at rebuilding.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:07 pm to tirebiter
I think Coach Dinardo could have been as successful as Coach Miles if he had been willing to make staff moves. I do not think he would have done as good of job as Coach Saban in getting to the level that Coach Saban did.
As a previous poster typed, I agree that all three are outstanding coaches and LSU has been lucky to have been associated with all three.
As a previous poster typed, I agree that all three are outstanding coaches and LSU has been lucky to have been associated with all three.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:20 pm to tirebiter
quote:That's pretty faint praise for a coach with Miles's record.
I don't knock what Miles has accomplished tenure-to-date
quote:There is his OSU record . . .
I just don't have the body of work to point to that he would have been as successful as Saban at rebuilding.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:23 pm to danfraz
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Hmmmmm...Oh wait- He won with BOB fricking SIMMONS players
Do you read past the first sentence? Jesus Christ...
quote:
I don't think Miles is a "turnaround" coach. He can recruit and coach - no doubt about that to me. He did do a nice job at Okie State with a down program, but I'm not sure that's his specialty.
It's just an opinion.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:31 pm to lsutiger2486
I think what people are missing is that our football infrastructure was not competitive with the top tier of the SEC in 2000. Saban/Emmert/Bertman were instrumental in bring LSU up to speed.
I'm not sure Miles would've taken that fundamental of an approach. He seems like a "make the most of what you have" kind of guy, which is damn good.
Now, maybe I'm giving Saban more credit than he deserves in this push. Maybe it was more Skip and Emmert, but my impression was that Saban demanded certain things in order to make LSU consistently competitive with the other top tier teams in the SEC.
I'm not sure Miles would've taken that fundamental of an approach. He seems like a "make the most of what you have" kind of guy, which is damn good.
Now, maybe I'm giving Saban more credit than he deserves in this push. Maybe it was more Skip and Emmert, but my impression was that Saban demanded certain things in order to make LSU consistently competitive with the other top tier teams in the SEC.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:38 pm to TriumphTiger
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Now, maybe I'm giving Saban more credit than he deserves in this push. Maybe it was more Skip and Emmert, but my impression was that Saban demanded certain things in order to make LSU consistently competitive with the other top tier teams in the SEC.
Yeah, it's hard to underestimate what it meant that the coaching administration prior to Nick, was dealing with Joe Dean as the AD.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:39 pm to just me
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There is his OSU record . . .
4-7, 8-5, 9-4, 7-5....wait, is that slippage in year 4? Hmmmm. Who were those RB's and QB that Miles had at OSU? And Rashaun Woods who was already there? Miles .521 winning percentage, OSU program since inception .493.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:58 pm to Y.A. Tittle
[quote]That's another interesting point, because you can tell who the folks are who are too young (or too green on following LSU football) to know better as to what it was like before Saban came along, as they are the one's who take this point as gospel about the status of LSU program before [/quote
fail. I am a fan of saban as a coach and I grew up on stovall, arnsbarger, archer, hallman and dinardo. Lsu fan first, nick saban fan second. I thank him for what he did for us and wish him luck
fail. I am a fan of saban as a coach and I grew up on stovall, arnsbarger, archer, hallman and dinardo. Lsu fan first, nick saban fan second. I thank him for what he did for us and wish him luck
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:02 pm to tigerbait2
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I thank him for what he did for us and wish him luck
What part of my post even implies that I would not think otherwise?
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:22 pm to tirebiter
quote:I think you'll find that Saban's first four years at MSU were less inspiring
-7, 8-5, 9-4, 7-5....wait, is that slippage in year 4?
quote:So Nick had no one here when he came to LSU?
Who were those RB's and QB that Miles had at OSU?
quote:Apples, oranges, really bad math, and really bad argument.
Miles .521 winning percentage, OSU program since inception .493.
Okie St before Les Miles: 39.4%
# 1998- 5-6
# 1999- 5-6
# 2000- 3-8
Okie St after Les Miles: 57.1%
# 2001- 4-7
# 2002- 8-5
# 2003- 9-4
# 2004- 7-5
Posted on 11/18/09 at 3:29 pm to just me
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Okie St before Les Miles: 39.4%
# 1998- 5-6
# 1999- 5-6
# 2000- 3-8
Okie St after Les Miles: 57.1%
# 2001- 4-7
# 2002- 8-5
# 2003- 9-4
# 2004- 7-5
Miles was 7 games above .500 at Okie St.
Mike Gundy is currently 8 games above .500 at Okie St.
Is Gundy a better coach than Miles?
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:17 pm to Choctaw
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Miles hasn't had to rebuild a program, so how can you make that assessment.
Ahh but he did in fact rebuild the program at OSU which did not have nearly the talent to start with as LSU '95 or LSU 2000.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:34 pm to TX Tiger
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Is Gundy a better coach than Miles?
He's winning with Miles' players!
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:38 pm to ipodking
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This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:45 pm to TriumphTiger
All the people who make these sarcastic comments about the Saban lovers.. shut the frick up. They aren't funny. No one is saying Miles is winning with Saban's players anymore. Could Miles have done what Saban did? Who the hell cares? You can't prove it either way. I highly doubt it, but I still can't prove it. All I know is that by Saban's 2nd year at Bama, we ceased to dominate the SEC West. Saban is on track to have his second undefeated season in a row.
Also, I wonder how many people will still be quoting the 10 wins/season statistic if we lose this weekend?
Also, I wonder how many people will still be quoting the 10 wins/season statistic if we lose this weekend?
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:48 pm to danfraz
Jerry Dewappo was a joke as a coach. No, Miles is not as good as Saban but Ryan Perriloux put him behind the 8 ball. Who knows if Miles leaves who has any idea how to hire a coach out there, Joe Aleva, you got to be kidding.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 4:54 pm to just me
quote:
Apples, oranges, really bad math, and really bad argument.
Your original post is senseless, it is not a bad argument. You don't know what Miles inherited and his winning percentage may have continued to decline if he stayed at OSU. What have you proven with this thread?
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