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Conservative play calling-2nd Half

Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:00 pm
Was the play calling really that conservative in the second half? I admit, while watching the game it definitely felt that way, but after further review, I don't think this is accurate. There were only 2 play calls where I would say we were a little too conservative, and one of those was justifiable.

In the second half...

We had 12 first down plays.
- 1 of those was the final play kneel down.
- 2 of them were on our last drive that started with 4+ minutes left and it would have been extremely dumb not to run the ball.

So, we had 9 first down plays where a run and pass play were viable.
We threw on 4 of those first downs (45%).

This is pretty good balance on first down, especially when you're up 4 scores and trying to run clock.

We only had 1 set of downs where we went run, run pass. But, this pass (ended in a sack) was on a 3rd and 2, so it was not a case where we were in an obvious passing down.

The two plays that I thought were overly conservative was the first 3rd down of the second half and the 3rd down run with a little under 7 minutes left (our first drive after their second touchdown).

The first of these plays was setup by down and distance.
- We gained 9 yards on 1st down, so we had a 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 2.
- After losing a yard on the 2nd down play, I would have liked to see us do something different on 3rd down.

The play after Miami's second touchdown drive was pretty awful.
- We gained 7 yards on a first down pass, one yard on 2nd down and then lost 3 on 3rd down.
- This was a very predictable and uninspired play call.

All in all, I think Ensminger called a really good game and the "conservative" criticism is a unfair.

Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30278 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:02 pm to
I think people are saying that we got too conservative because our offense couldn't move and we got really porous on defense in the 2nd half (which is probably a product of putting in too many 2nd teamers too early). It is still a work in progress all the way around.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48919 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:05 pm to
Agree. You have a big lead that just shrunk, you don’t give the defense a chance to make a turnover and onside kick and possibly tie the game. Smart game calling to ensure victory.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34571 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:24 pm to
I don’t think we needed to be slinging the ball around, but we started to run the ball right between the tackles into the meat of their defense. You can run clock and still run the ball creatively, and I think that’s all people wanted to see
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89100 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:26 pm to
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I don’t think we needed to be slinging the ball around, but we started to run the ball right between the tackles into the meat of their defense. You can run clock and still run the ball creatively, and I think that’s all people wanted to see


This kind of common sense isn't allowed.

The only options are do what we did or throw a bunch of pics.
Posted by BIG CAT
louisiana
Member since Jan 2005
3931 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:28 pm to
I have no problem running the ball, but stacking the line is a give away. spread the def out and run.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

All in all, I think Ensminger called a really good game and the "conservative" criticism is a unfair.



So we just sucked in the second half despite good play calls?

Because Miami was blowing up all of our running plays it felt like.

Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

but we started to run the ball right between the tackles into the meat of their defense.

The running plays were the same plays we were running in the first half. And in the second half, we averaged 4.25 yards per attempt (not counting Burrow's 11 yard run, which I think was a scramble).
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:42 pm to
Yes we were conservative but it was the right thing to do. Miami had a rally but we bled enough clock that they couldn’t make a comeback.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

Agree. You have a big lead that just shrunk, you don’t give the defense a chance to make a turnover and onside kick and possibly tie the game. Smart game calling to ensure victory.


LSU was up by 30 with less than 19 mins to play. The odds of them scoring 31 points in the last 19 mins after scoring 3 in the first 41 mins were very, very low.

Yes, Miami made the game closer over the span of that last 19 mins. But in the big scheme of things, they still had a long ways to go.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

The only options are do what we did or throw a bunch of pics.

Running backs had 4.25 yards per attempt in the second half. I could make the case that we should have run MORE. We only had a single 3 and out in the second half and on that set of downs we threw the ball twice, including on first down.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

Because Miami was blowing up all of our running plays it felt like.

4.25 YPC on designed runs. That is not getting blown up.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:46 pm to
The opening drive of 3rd quarter was beautiful.

Jefferson catch
Anderson catch
Brossette awesome run

Shitty play calling on the goal line
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Because Miami was blowing up all of our running plays it felt like.


They did shut down the running game in the second half, they sold out to stop the run. In the first half we would’ve audibled to another play but we ran into the teeth anyway. That was the design to kill clock and it worked.
Posted by William G
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
1496 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:48 pm to
You play conservative when your up 4 possessions on the #8 team in the country that has an streaky QB but elite defense. A pick 6 could have really been the spark plug to get them back in that game. Do not allow them to pull out that god forsaken turn over chain. They live and die off turnovers. I thought coach O and coach E were correct.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48919 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:53 pm to
Did you watch the game? We put second string in at the end of the 3rd quarter. After 2 big TD,’s by Miami they had momentum. Had we not run for a few first downs things could have easily went south. We have all watched enough football to know momentum makes comebacks possible.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127357 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Conservative play calling-2nd Half
Three words;

Game. Film. Auburn.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:58 pm to
Did we get conservative or did offense just not function correctly. For about 2/4 and 12 minutes we struggled with our 0.

Maybe is just normal first game issues when you have so many new parts to an offense.

I think we will have a much better idea exactly where we stand on offense after the Auburn game.
Posted by Old
Metairie
Member since Dec 2016
2843 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Conservative play calling-2nd HalfWas the play calling really that conservative in the second half? I admit, while watching the game it definitely felt that way, but after further review, I don't think this is accurate. There were only 2 play calls where I would say we were a little too conservative, and one of those was justifiable.
LSU almost allowed Miami back into the fight but O got it right. Conservative is almost always the best way to combat such a powerful, explosive & take possession away opponent.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

4.25 YPC on designed runs. That is not getting blown up.



In the second half?

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