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re: Conservative play calling-2nd Half

Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:02 pm to
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In the second half?

Correct. Not counting Burrow's 11 yard scramble. 4.25 was on designed runs to a running back. Add Burrow's scramble and it was 4.6 YPC. Add the kneel down to end the game and it was back down to 4.26 YPC.
Posted by bstew3006
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Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:02 pm to
I didn't like sitting on the clock with 12 min to go in 4th. Get up to the line, run your offense, stay in rhythm and keep applying pressure. Once you get to 7min I say slow it down and sit. Outside of that I thought the offense was just fine.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:07 pm to
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I didn't like sitting on the clock with 12 min to go in 4th. Get up to the line, run your offense, stay in rhythm and keep applying pressure.

Well, first of all, thanks to CEH's boneheaded decision to run the kickoff out of the end zone, we started that drive on our 11. Even still, we went run, pass (batted screen) pass attempt (Burrow scramble for 11).

On the next set of downs, we had a 7 yard run on 1st down, ran again on second and then Burrow got sacked on third. Surely you don't think calling a run on 2nd & 3 after a 7 yard run is conservative, do you?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:07 pm to
Damn, well it felt like we were getting blown up.

Maybe because we'd have a 7ish yard run, then a 0 yard run.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:07 pm to
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Did you watch the game?


Yes, I did.

Go back and look at the drive-by-drive summary. It really never got that close. It just seems like it.

Miami's TD drive to make it 33-10 took almost 5 mins off the clock. Then LSU was able to burn 4 more mins on their next drive.

Miami's WRs then made some badass plays to score quickly, making the game seem closer than it was.

But after that, LSU's lead was never threatened.

That's not to say it would've been impossible for Miami to make a comeback, but considering how the 4th quarter unfolded, LSU's offensive strategy was the correct one. If I'm LSU, no way I'm slinging the ball up by 16 with 8 mins to play.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
128269 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:08 pm to
That possession to open up the 3rd qtr was pathetic
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:10 pm to
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Damn, well it felt like we were getting blown up.

Same here, but the numbers and the play by play don't lie. I think I was just feeling that way because of nerves.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
20135 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:10 pm to
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Miami had a rally but we bled enough clock that they couldn’t make a comeback.
Miami had their rally BECAUSE we got conservative and were focused more on running clock than trying to score.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:11 pm to
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That possession to open up the 3rd qtr was pathetic

Can you elaborate? "Pathetic" seems a little strong.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
20135 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:13 pm to
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Surely you don't think calling a run on 2nd & 3 after a 7 yard run is conservative, do you?

like many other posters have said, it's not the fact that we ran that's so bothersome - it's that we ran straight into the teeth of their defense.

If we want to go conservative and run, then at least do it unpredictably. Spread the field, show pass, and then run. Or use misdirection to throw off the defense.

Anything but telegraphing an off-tackle run into the heart of the defense, which is waiting for it.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:14 pm to
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Miami had their rally BECAUSE we got conservative and were focused more on running clock than trying to score.


No. See 2016 Superbowl for teams that keep trying to score rather than run out the clock. Atlanta left too much time on the clock and allowed the Patriots to come back. LSU didn't leave Miami enough time to make a comeback.
Posted by bstew3006
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Member since Dec 2007
13049 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:17 pm to
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Surely you don't think calling a run on 2nd & 3 after a 7 yard run is conservative, do you?


did you even read and comprehend my post?

I didn't like sitting on the clock with 12 min to go in 4th. Get up to the line, run your offense, stay in rhythm and keep applying pressure. Once you get to 7min I say slow it down and sit. Outside of that I thought the offense was just fine.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:20 pm to
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did you even read and comprehend my post?

I didn't like sitting on the clock with 12 min to go in 4th.

I guess I don't comprehend your post. I thought the play calling drive with 12 minutes left was fine, and you seem to be saying it was conservative. So I don't understand what you thought was conservative about it.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28518 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:21 pm to
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LSU almost allowed Miami back into the fight



Sixteen is a big arse lead in the fourth.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
20135 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:22 pm to
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Sixteen is a big arse lead in the fourth.
BS. It's 2 scores.

Play to win; don't play not-to-lose.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:23 pm to
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Play to win; don't play not-to-lose.


How specifically did we play not to lose?
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:23 pm to
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BS. It's 2 scores.

Play to win; don't play not-to-lose.


Playing to win is running out the clock leaving your opponent no time to score. The clock is your friend, use it.
Posted by bstew3006
318
Member since Dec 2007
13049 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:25 pm to
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I guess I don't comprehend your post. I thought the play calling drive with 12 minutes left was fine, and you seem to be saying it was conservative. So I don't understand what you thought was conservative about it.


I stated that the play calling was fine, you missed that part.

I didn't like sitting on the clock with 12 min to go. It has nothing to do with play selection. IF you cant comprehend this, no need to post about the offense.
Posted by ShrevetownTiger
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2007
3479 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:26 pm to
Our problem is simple. We have to convert more 3rd downs. We did well getting to 3rd and short and couldn't convert. 3-16 conversion rate killed us.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 2:33 pm to
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I didn't like sitting on the clock with 12 min to go.


But they really didn't. The closest situation you could possibly be referring to is when LSU got the ball with 14 mins left after Miami made it 33-10.

They ran on first down for no gain. Then two straight passing plays. The first was incomplete. Then Burrow scrambled on 3rd down for 11 yards.

That drive burned 4 mins off the clock, leaving Miami with only 10 mins to score 24 points. As a result, I'd say that drive was relatively successful.

LSU's next drive was really the only one that should be under the microscope, but I still think it was good play-calling.

Got the ball with a little less than 9 mins to play after Miami made it 33-17. Brossette runs for 13 on first down to get near midfield. Then Burrow throws for 7 yards on first down to Miami's 45.

All runs from there. Conservative, yes. But you have the ball at midfield with 6:30 to go. Run the ball, punt and pin them deep. To not risk an interception or some kind of freak sack/fumble mishap in that situation is understandable.

This post was edited on 9/4/18 at 2:36 pm
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