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Comparing the LSU Offense to the SF 49ers Offense

Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:01 pm
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:01 pm
Principally, Jim Harbaugh's offense in San Francisco is very similar to Miles' offensive philosophy. Everything starts with the power running game, incorporating TEs and FBs. The 49ers don't throw the ball much (of 32 NFL teams SF ranks 30th in pass attempts, 31st last year), but when they do they are efficient and don't turn the ball over (SF threw the least amount of INTS in the NFL last year). By NFL standards Harbaugh doesn't ask QB Alex Smith to do too much, or be "superman."

The difference to me is that SF has elements of deception, creativity, and diversity in their offense that we lack.

One of the major differences is how involved the TEs are in the passing game, which fits because the TE pass is usually safe and generally provides the greatest margin for error. TEs Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker are heavily involved in the SF passing game, accounting for 31% of the 49ers catches in 2011.

Now, think about 2007. The most prolific scoring team in LSU history at 38.6 PPG. That was Richard Dickson's sophomore year and his best at LSU (32 catches, 375 yards & 5 TDs). 36 total catches by TEs in 2007, which is the most in the Miles era.

Say what you want about the quality of our TEs this year but they've been pretty consistent (especially compared to our receivers) and were clutch vs. Florida.

The point is, Miles' offensive philosophy can work and has worked, but we can't forget about adjunct pieces, like the TEs, RB screens, Shepard, etc.

Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79078 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:01 pm to
our TE's are resigned to blocking and 7 yard hitches.
Posted by fastedLSU
BR
Member since Sep 2007
4477 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:03 pm to
The first drive of the game says otherwise.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79078 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:04 pm to
damn, we save all the good shite for the first drives now.
Posted by fastedLSU
BR
Member since Sep 2007
4477 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:06 pm to
It was effective and after the first drive it completely vanished. Laugh all you want while the sec is laughing at our offense.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 11:07 pm
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
30993 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:07 pm to
We should use the TE's more than we've been using them. We've used them almost solely for blocking since Richard Dickson left.

I was glad to see them used more in the game yesterday, I will agree there.

Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
51150 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:09 pm to
SF offense had almost 700 yards total offense today.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21631 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:09 pm to
I'll never understand how Deangelo Peterson wasn't better utilized during his time here. He should've been a complete mismatch for a linebacker.
Posted by GangnamStyle
Member since Oct 2012
142 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:16 pm to
He has one of the most physically gifted TEs in history and uses creativity in his play calling. That's the major difference.

LSU has no identity and instead of mixing things up tries to force things.

Also, SF's offense has been pretty mediocre until this game.
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
30993 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:16 pm to
Agreed.


He didn't have the best hands but he still could've been better.

That reverse from Ridley in the game against Bama in '10 was a sweet play.

Where's that play been?
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21631 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:19 pm to
quote:

That reverse from Ridley in the game against Bama in '10 was a sweet play.


Exactly. He's a tight end that was athletic enough to basically take an end around to the house (he decided to step out for some reason), but we couldn't get him open down the seam against linebackers ever? WTF?
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 11:20 pm
Posted by GangnamStyle
Member since Oct 2012
142 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:21 pm to
quote:

Exactly. He's a tight end that was athletic enough to basically take an end around to the house (he decided to step out for some reason), but we couldn't get him open down the seam against linebackers ever? WTF?


TE development has been horrible under Ensminger. He's a waste of space and has killed that part of our offense for the most part.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
4820 posts
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

He has one of the most physically gifted TEs in history and uses creativity in his play calling. That's the major difference.

LSU has no identity and instead of mixing things up tries to force things.

Also, SF's offense has been pretty mediocre until this game.



The point is that Harbaugh makes it work in the NFL to the tune of 17-4 in the regular season, and being one game away from the Super Bowl last year (NFC Championship game loss in OT to the Giants).

SF makes it work in a passing league. Also, the talent is more evenly distributed. Their circumstances are much more difficult than ours. They just use more sophistication around their central philosophy, which I think we could learn from.
Posted by stho381
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4628 posts
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:34 am to
quote:

our TE's are resigned to blocking and 7 yard hitches.


Our TEs aren't 4.4 speed either and essentially a huge WR.
Posted by stho381
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4628 posts
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:38 am to
quote:

I'll never understand how Deangelo Peterson wasn't better utilized during his time here. He should've been a complete mismatch for a linebacker.



Honestly, he had alligator arms when he was targeted.

alligator arms

this is just one example, but it happened a fair bit with him for some reason.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
4820 posts
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:56 am to
quote:

Our TEs aren't 4.4 speed either and essentially a huge WR.


True, Davis is a freak.

But we don't have to use our TEs the exact way SF uses Davis to get them more involved. They are running him on all kinds of patterns all over the field and deep. We don't have to do all that, but with the OL now in shambles the TEs can provide a big target (both Clement and Jacobs are bigger than Davis) for Mett to hit quickly and move the chains.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44526 posts
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:07 am to
:FreeNicJacobs:

:UseDillonGordon:
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13134 posts
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:00 am to
Harbaugh is running the same stuff he ran at Stanford. Except now he's doing it with NFL athletes. It's working well for him, I'd say.

If you want to run that type of offense at LSU, you need 4-6 huge, fast OL, capable of driving your opponents into the ground, a couple of tall TE's with soft hands that run great routes, and a competent QB capable of making good reads and quick decisions. Oh yeah, and at least one tough, durable, and hard running RB. Preferably two.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
2994 posts
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:06 am to
It worked the first drive, then Florida adjusted, pulled up corners and shut us down. We had no response because we're so limited as to what we can do. We should have taken more deep ball shots to back them off but didn't..... Why, is the question.
Posted by lsueddie18
Jacksonville Florida area
Member since Mar 2012
438 posts
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:10 am to
The Jacksonville Jaguars offense is a much more accurate comparison.
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