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re: Comparing LSU QBs: Mauck, Russell, Flynn, Lee, Jefferson

Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:07 am to
Posted by Woody
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:07 am to
Yup. He did not turn the ball over that game, but he completed <50% of his passes.

Although, I'm not trying to detract from Flynn's accomplishments. He is one of my favorite Tigers, had a great 2007 campaign, displayed great leadership, and represented LSU well.

I just find it funny that a lot of fans put him on a pedestal above Russel. Russel led the team to a 10-2 record in 2006, had once of the best statistical seasons in LSU history, and lost on the road to eventual national champ Florida and on the road against 10-2 Auburn.

Flynn also led the team to a 10-2 record, but lost on the road to unranked Kentucky and at home to Arkansas who finished 8-5. It just so happens that to road to an SEC and national title was a little different that year.
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:11 am to
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I just find it funny that a lot of fans put him on a pedestal above Russel. Russel led the team to a 10-2 record in 2006, had once of the best statistical seasons in LSU history, and lost on the road to eventual national champ Florida and on the road against 10-2 Auburn.

Flynn also led the team to a 10-2 record, but lost on the road to unranked Kentucky and at home to Arkansas who finished 8-5. It just so happens that to road to an SEC and national title was a little different that year.
There is no logical reason to think otherwise.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:11 am to
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He was good, but he never won the money game


Oh, so you're one of those tards who only defines "big games" as ones we lose. Except for Flynn of course. Got it.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:16 am to
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Jefferson clearly has the second best senior year.



he's thrown 70 passes and accounted for 8 TDs, most of them against scrub defenses.


his SR season was better than Flynn's, who led LSU to their best offensive season in school history?


Come on. I realize what you are trying to do, but have a little perspective here.

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efferson's career is arguably the second best as well. #1 in YPC, #2 in Comp% and Int%, #3 in YPA.


#4 is QB rating. The most important stat.

Matt Mauck threw more TD passes and started 1 year and a few games.

Flynn threw 2 less TD passes and was a 1 year starter

Jefferon has started more games than any of those guys, I'd almost bet. He should be be killing all of those numbers based on how many games he has started, esp when being compared to Lee, Mauck, and Flynn.

just complete your selective stats, here are starts by each.

Jefferson 30 starts
Russell 29 starts
Mauck 20 starts
Lee 17 starts
Flynn 14 starts
Posted by macycarly
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:21 am to
Remember Flynn only had one year as a starter. He didn't have as much time to develop in the starting position as long as the others did. Got news for you guys. Hodson is are best qb most likely. Jefferson and Russell had more years as a starter and that makes a big difference. Every qb has bad games. That's why it's based off a whole season.
Posted by just me
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:25 am to
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Jefferon has started more games than any of those guys, I'd almost bet. He should be be killing all of those numbers based on how many games he has started, esp when being compared to Lee, Mauck, and Flynn.

just complete your selective stats, here are starts by each.

Jefferson 30 starts
Russell 29 starts
Mauck 20 starts
Lee 17 starts
Flynn 14 starts
Dear Lester:

I know you play intentionally stupid a lot of the time. Everyone knows it. It's your schtick.

I realize that you are playing stupid with this post. It's okay because everyone else sees it too.

I didn't grade the QBs based upon cumumlative stats like most yards rushing, most yards passing, or most TDs.

I graded them on averages and percentages.

Jefferson's career is arguably the second best as well. #1 in YPC, #2 in Comp% and Int%, #3 in YPA.

Mauck had an excellent career as well. He might have had the second best career. It's arguable.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465636 posts
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:28 am to
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I remember Flynn being better in 2007 than his stats show.

of course you do

quote:

Russell's 2006 season stats hides the fact that he played horribly in the two losses that year.

flynn was fricking horrible against kentucky in 2007. why didn't you bring that up?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
465636 posts
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:29 am to
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JJ hasn't had enough snaps or played enough this year to put him above those who played a complete season.

exactly. way too small of a sample for JJ to judge everything
Posted by macycarly
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:31 am to
That is not true. At the time we played kentucky they were either 6 or 8
Posted by DBG
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Member since May 2004
78568 posts
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:32 am to
I still laugh at anyone who blames the 2006 auburn loss on ANYONE besides jimbo fisher and les miles

And the UF game was a complete team loss. Everyone remembers the 3 picks, but everyone forgets that 2 of them hit Dwayne Bowe in the hands/chest, and early doucet muffed the 2nd half kickoff.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:33 am to
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#1 in YPC

i hope that we can all agree that none of the QBs in this discussion were good enough runners to really use this variable
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:33 am to
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At the time we played kentucky they were either 6 or 8

which is irrelevant
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:33 am to
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And the UF game was a complete team loss. Everyone remembers the 3 picks, but everyone forgets that 2 of them hit Dwayne Bowe in the hands/chest, and early doucet muffed the 2nd half kickoff.

and laron got tebow'd
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:34 am to
That was Jessie Daniels

And he got straight up plowed over
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:35 am to
no. i mean the TD pass when laron bit on the fake run
Posted by Woody
Member since Nov 2004
2452 posts
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:38 am to
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There is no logical reason to think otherwise.


I found these from their respective last seasons:

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT
JaMarcus Russell 232 342 3129 67.8 9.15 28 8 167.0

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT
Matt Flynn 202 359 2407 56.3 6.71 21 11 125.8

Completion %, yards, td's, int's, and qb rating all seem pretty logical.

Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288264 posts
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:40 am to
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I graded them on averages and percentages.




yet you just so happened to leave out QB rating when you made your final assessments. Makes sense.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:53 am to
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That is not true. At the time we played kentucky they were either 6 or 8


False. They were #17.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:57 am to
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I remember Flynn being better in 2007 than his stats show
He also played that year gimped for at least a few games.

Regardless of their college careers, it's pretty obvious now that MF is the best of the group. He's actually getting starting QB interest from teams that don't have Rodgers.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465636 posts
Posted on 11/26/11 at 11:59 am to
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Regardless of their college careers, it's pretty obvious now that MF is the best of the group. He's actually getting starting QB interest from teams that don't have Rodgers.

i think this thread just went full retard
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