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re: Column: The case for Jarrett Lee
Posted on 10/18/09 at 11:47 am to Carl Dubois
Posted on 10/18/09 at 11:47 am to Carl Dubois
i stil think JJ should start, but i wouldnt mind seeing Lee come in once the players have settled down or if we cant move the ball. Lee could do some damage to this auburn d.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 11:49 am to Thomas the Tiger
Tigerdroppings is about opinion........I appreciate his, but he needs a user name instead of Carl Dubois. Carl Dubois is a journalist who writes informing stories about LSU event. ___________user name allows you to RANT.

This post was edited on 10/18/09 at 11:53 am
Posted on 10/18/09 at 11:52 am to gotygers
Well JJ cannot play up to his potential because he is afraid of making a mistake and if he does
he saw what happened to Jarrett Lee. He is scared
to death is arse will be riding the pine if he mucks up. No kid should have to play under that
pressure. Like Carl Dubois said Jarret Lee was set up to fail. I have been saying that since last year.
he saw what happened to Jarrett Lee. He is scared
to death is arse will be riding the pine if he mucks up. No kid should have to play under that
pressure. Like Carl Dubois said Jarret Lee was set up to fail. I have been saying that since last year.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 12:01 pm to Elleshoe
quote:
this is written as a fan and not an impartial journalist
this.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 12:12 pm to Carl Dubois
Great post as it's on the money.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 12:12 pm to Carl Dubois
IMO, this is your best article to date! Your observations and suggestions are spot on. 
Posted on 10/18/09 at 12:25 pm to NW Tiger
quote:
Well JJ cannot play up to his potential because he is afraid of making a mistake and if he does
he saw what happened to Jarrett Lee. He is scared
to death is arse will be riding the pine if he mucks up. No kid should have to play under that
pressure. Like Carl Dubois said Jarret Lee was set up to fail. I have been saying that since last year
Don't you think that every kid in a starting position plays under that pressure? After all, there are kids waiting on the sideline that would be starters at most programs in the nation. I know it's been a while since I played, but back then, the best players were the ones who started. If someone played better than you, they were moved ahead in the line up. It's called competition and under the most circumstances it brings out the best in an athelete. Would you agree to that or has something changed
Posted on 10/18/09 at 12:27 pm to NW Tiger
Correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't both of our starting qb's on the 03 and 07 nc teams both seniors? We were never able to follow that up with another solid starting senior qb. And to make matters worse, Miles and the OC( because it get sick when i say his name) have not handled grooming younger qb's into nc qb's well.
Also, in an earlier post I read someone thought it would be better for Lee to play and throw a 40 INT than for jefferson to take a -6 yard sack. Do you not remember seeing players wearing the opposite color jersey taking several of those 40 yard INT's to the house? Even though the offense has been stagnant so far, I just think the offense has more variety with JJ, although I feel bad for all that Lee has been through and hope that he would be much improved if called upon.
I also feel our OL has gotten a bit of a pass. What is it that they do well? You have to look at the OL when you can't pass nor run, which is why I don't know if it would be a great idea to use the less mobile qb and why we should use a more ellusive back.
Also, in an earlier post I read someone thought it would be better for Lee to play and throw a 40 INT than for jefferson to take a -6 yard sack. Do you not remember seeing players wearing the opposite color jersey taking several of those 40 yard INT's to the house? Even though the offense has been stagnant so far, I just think the offense has more variety with JJ, although I feel bad for all that Lee has been through and hope that he would be much improved if called upon.
I also feel our OL has gotten a bit of a pass. What is it that they do well? You have to look at the OL when you can't pass nor run, which is why I don't know if it would be a great idea to use the less mobile qb and why we should use a more ellusive back.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 1:05 pm to LuzianaFootball
Bulldog some kids can handle the pressure and
JJ is one who has shown he cannot. IMO he is not the best QB but our coaches thinks he is and will play him win or lose all.
JJ is one who has shown he cannot. IMO he is not the best QB but our coaches thinks he is and will play him win or lose all.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 1:09 pm to Carl Dubois
Note to Les Miles & Gary Crowton:
FREE JARRET LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FREE JARRET LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 10/18/09 at 1:38 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Must...fight........temptation...aaaggh.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 1:44 pm to LuzianaFootball
Carl,
You stated a position in terms that many LSU fans think, but cannot verbalize unless punctuated with profanity.
Lee was pushed to perform unprepared, and many LSU fans fail to realize that the fascinating offense of Crowton calls for significant knowledge, check offs and multiple options. No redshirt freshman can come in and run a Crowton offense right away. Witness the HIGHLY constrained, rolled back offense that Miles and Crowton have had to work with to accomodate JJ's lack of understanding. We'd all be witness to a high-powered offense if run by a QB with the ability to capitalize on its intricate nuances.
JL is the only QB on the team that has had that experience with a wide open Crowton offense and its certainly my hope that JL's time on the sideline, in practice and in game study has been fully used to absorb the complexity of Crowton's full arsenal of options. I also hope that Crowton hasn't shied away from embracing Lee and giving him every opportunity to BE READY to step in at any moment and lead this team.
JJ is a tremendous talent and athlete, but his ability to run this offense has been proven (through 6 games this year) to be ineffective. After last week, no LSU fan could turn a blind eye to the truth in that statement. We have become accustomed to having a great group of talented playmakers on the field and more waiting their turn on the sidelines (hello: Russell Sheperd, Rueben Randle). IMHO, Lee, who ran a spread option offense in high school to great effectiveness, should be given another chance.
Miles' offensive needs to play to win. Like Carl, I miss THAT GUY, that coach who took measured, steely-eyed chances, believing in his offense, asking them to reach deep into their hearts and gut. I miss THAT GUY, the guy who stoked the fires of drive and desire and who spoke for a collective group of LSU fans everywhere when he stood up in front of a crowd when the chips were on the line and said "Have a great day!" Where is THAT GUY because the guy I see now, who claims to be Coach Miles, is someone I hardly recognize. This guy, who says he's the LSU head coach, who now answers every question as if he's a programmed robot, I don't know who that guy is. He is playing scared and the Coach Miles I've come to know over the last five years was not THAT GUY!
LSU fans who insist on holding a grudge against Lee should direct their disgust at Les Miles, not Lee. Miles asked Lee to do more than he was ready for and forced him into playing situations with plays designed for a more experienced QB. Carl is right: Lee should be given the opportunity to play.
I keep a small plaque on my desk for others to see and to remind me of a basic responsibility I have in the way that I manage people who work for me. It simply states:
"The hardest thing to do in life is to know how to do something extremely well, and then know when not to say something when others do it wrong."
Its meaning? You have to give others an opportunity to learn from their mistakes.
It's time to find out if Lee has learned anything from his mistakes, unless, of course, Miles is too proud in his JJ conviction to let all of us know that the real mistake is the one made by Miles every week by not letting Lee play. And if Miles is consciously doing that, then he's no longer the man I believed him to be. He's not THAT GUY.
You stated a position in terms that many LSU fans think, but cannot verbalize unless punctuated with profanity.
Lee was pushed to perform unprepared, and many LSU fans fail to realize that the fascinating offense of Crowton calls for significant knowledge, check offs and multiple options. No redshirt freshman can come in and run a Crowton offense right away. Witness the HIGHLY constrained, rolled back offense that Miles and Crowton have had to work with to accomodate JJ's lack of understanding. We'd all be witness to a high-powered offense if run by a QB with the ability to capitalize on its intricate nuances.
JL is the only QB on the team that has had that experience with a wide open Crowton offense and its certainly my hope that JL's time on the sideline, in practice and in game study has been fully used to absorb the complexity of Crowton's full arsenal of options. I also hope that Crowton hasn't shied away from embracing Lee and giving him every opportunity to BE READY to step in at any moment and lead this team.
JJ is a tremendous talent and athlete, but his ability to run this offense has been proven (through 6 games this year) to be ineffective. After last week, no LSU fan could turn a blind eye to the truth in that statement. We have become accustomed to having a great group of talented playmakers on the field and more waiting their turn on the sidelines (hello: Russell Sheperd, Rueben Randle). IMHO, Lee, who ran a spread option offense in high school to great effectiveness, should be given another chance.
Miles' offensive needs to play to win. Like Carl, I miss THAT GUY, that coach who took measured, steely-eyed chances, believing in his offense, asking them to reach deep into their hearts and gut. I miss THAT GUY, the guy who stoked the fires of drive and desire and who spoke for a collective group of LSU fans everywhere when he stood up in front of a crowd when the chips were on the line and said "Have a great day!" Where is THAT GUY because the guy I see now, who claims to be Coach Miles, is someone I hardly recognize. This guy, who says he's the LSU head coach, who now answers every question as if he's a programmed robot, I don't know who that guy is. He is playing scared and the Coach Miles I've come to know over the last five years was not THAT GUY!
LSU fans who insist on holding a grudge against Lee should direct their disgust at Les Miles, not Lee. Miles asked Lee to do more than he was ready for and forced him into playing situations with plays designed for a more experienced QB. Carl is right: Lee should be given the opportunity to play.
I keep a small plaque on my desk for others to see and to remind me of a basic responsibility I have in the way that I manage people who work for me. It simply states:
"The hardest thing to do in life is to know how to do something extremely well, and then know when not to say something when others do it wrong."
Its meaning? You have to give others an opportunity to learn from their mistakes.
It's time to find out if Lee has learned anything from his mistakes, unless, of course, Miles is too proud in his JJ conviction to let all of us know that the real mistake is the one made by Miles every week by not letting Lee play. And if Miles is consciously doing that, then he's no longer the man I believed him to be. He's not THAT GUY.
This post was edited on 10/18/09 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 10/18/09 at 1:53 pm to Carl Dubois
Some interesting thoughts. I agree that JJ is getting the same kind of shell shocked reaction that JL had last year. I think a JL series a half might not be a bad idea (assuming the coaches have looked him in the eyes and think he is ready).
A couple of comments (not necessarily criticisims) of the piece:
(1) I don't see facing the media as being as strong a indication of a good QB as you do. If I screwed up in my job week after week, I could have the best attitude in the world about it and "face the music" as much as I want. My boss might admire this but I don't think it would make much of a difference in his evaluation of me as an employee. Heck, Les Miles sometimes faces up to the same problems week after week and I don't see many people giving him a break for doing that unless he actually corrects the problems.
(2) If one has to reach to an 8-4 Nicholls State team to make a point, one is reaching just a bit.
(3) Carl (and fellow posters): Please be specific in what you are suggesting: Start JL full time? Give him 1 series a half? Mix in JL and RS? And specify what you predict your suggestion will result in as a W-L record if adatpted.
A couple of comments (not necessarily criticisims) of the piece:
(1) I don't see facing the media as being as strong a indication of a good QB as you do. If I screwed up in my job week after week, I could have the best attitude in the world about it and "face the music" as much as I want. My boss might admire this but I don't think it would make much of a difference in his evaluation of me as an employee. Heck, Les Miles sometimes faces up to the same problems week after week and I don't see many people giving him a break for doing that unless he actually corrects the problems.
(2) If one has to reach to an 8-4 Nicholls State team to make a point, one is reaching just a bit.
(3) Carl (and fellow posters): Please be specific in what you are suggesting: Start JL full time? Give him 1 series a half? Mix in JL and RS? And specify what you predict your suggestion will result in as a W-L record if adatpted.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:13 pm to LSUzealot
quote:
quote:
this is written as a fan and not an impartial journalist
this.
me and zealot agree for the first time since 2004!
Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:27 pm to Elleshoe
Carl what a marvelous work of journalism. I especially enjoyed reading about the double talk/standards Miles and Crwoton spew.
I personally see Miles vindicating Lee's performance of last year without giving him a chance for redemption. You are right on about coaching scared and by coaching scared is going to get hm run ut of town.
I personally see Miles vindicating Lee's performance of last year without giving him a chance for redemption. You are right on about coaching scared and by coaching scared is going to get hm run ut of town.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 2:34 pm to Carl Dubois
quote:
LSU's offense is stuck in a slow gear, and it has the horsepower for so much more... Why isn't Lee given a shot with what has become one of the nation's least productive offenses, one that's worse than LSU's offense in 2008?
Because LSU designed an offense that wouldn't lose games instead of an offense that would win games. Because Miles is coaching scared.
Thank you for this brilliant and clearly stated observation! You are right on the money.
This post was edited on 10/18/09 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:21 pm to JawjaTigah
Miles lied to Lee about his future at LSU. He strung him along, just so that he can have an experienced back-up in case Jefferson goes down. There is no excuse for Lee not getting one series this year. If your #1 QB cannot build a lead against mediocre teams big enough to get the back-up in, then you need to reevaluate your #1. But now is too late.
The Jefferson experiment is a failure. We are 109th in offense, even with a 5-1 record. We accomplished the same last year, yet with the confused looks on defense everyone knew it would eventually fail. It did. We see the same confusion in our offense. It too will break down, and we will be 4 or 5 loss team.
I have always supported Lee, but he needs to find a home where he can achieve. He shouldn't hang around to bail Miles out. Miles needs to go down with this ship.
The Jefferson experiment is a failure. We are 109th in offense, even with a 5-1 record. We accomplished the same last year, yet with the confused looks on defense everyone knew it would eventually fail. It did. We see the same confusion in our offense. It too will break down, and we will be 4 or 5 loss team.
I have always supported Lee, but he needs to find a home where he can achieve. He shouldn't hang around to bail Miles out. Miles needs to go down with this ship.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:31 pm to Carl Dubois
quote:
Call me crazy, but I think Lee is closer to that point than Jefferson is, especially with respect to the 2009 LSU Tigers and their potential.
Give me a break. How can you make this statement. Based on what?
That's right Carl. Pure speculation is all you have.
quote:
Character? Lee faced the music last year. He threw all those pick-6 passes and didn't hide. He answered every question about his failures.
Lee faced the music? How so? The coaches kept the kid in despite the interceptions, for touchdowns... six of them, remember?
And hope didn't return until JJ was given the call.
Man, memories are short, huh?
Do I think Lee should be given another shot?
Perhaps, despite the odds, there is a chance he [Lee] might have learned a very hard lesson, but there is also the chance that he hasn't, that his 6-pick record could be an indication of some psychological glitch. Who knows?
I'd actually like to see what Lee could do now. Of course, the coaches need to be cautious here.
I do think Miles might benefit from mixing it up at the QB position a little. Perhaps some competitive tension is what the stable of QBs need.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 3:36 pm to Proejo
Proejo
Very Well Put. Now that's some high quality articulating! 
This post was edited on 10/18/09 at 4:48 pm
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