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re: Column: Defenses, catchphrases, deception and coordination

Posted on 9/10/09 at 11:35 am to
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27472 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 11:35 am to
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I think 12Gauge also brought a good perspective from Florida.
I hate to derail this thread, but 12Gauge turned out to be a terrible poster (total flamer). You must have missed it.

Anyhow, we are exploring ways technically to improve the experience of the person that doesn't want to wade through too much bull.

Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31326 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 11:40 am to
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I hate to derail this thread, but 12Gauge turned out to be a terrible poster (total flamer). You must have missed it.


Agree. 12Gauge started off as a good poster but turned into a condescending flamer and was rightfully kicked off the board. Ok, back to topic now.
Posted by Frightened Inmate #2
Member since Jul 2004
2984 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 11:42 am to
Yeah I definitely missed that one. Anyways, great article Carl, didn't want to stray off topic too much. A great perspective, and well written.
Posted by Tiger 1964
Tampa
Member since Mar 2007
168 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 11:54 am to
"Anyhow, we are exploring ways technically to improve the experience of the person that doesn't want to wade through too much bull"

Hallelujah !!!!!!
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 11:57 am to
All very interesting. But only relevant as it pertains to the current LSU situation. We now have Chavis as DC. Surely, Miles is not dictating defensive scheme/strategy to him. So, what do we have in Chavis? A guy w/ an excellent reputation gained over the years. Can we learn anything, can we predict how his defense will perform the rest of the season, based upon their effort in the Washington game? I sure hope not! I hope that effort was a fluke. The main thing that bothered me about the "scheme" was how far back the safeties were lined up. I'll make my analysis simple ... I'm not a coach, I'm a fan. But, when I'm watching my favorite team play defense, on TV, I like to see all 11 defenders in the screen, at the same time, i.e., crowding the line of scrimmage. If I don't see that, then I'm disappointed in the scheme. Naive, perhaps, but there it is.
Posted by CAT
Central Arkansas
Member since Aug 2006
7342 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 12:37 pm to
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how far back the safeties were lined up.


Probably because I've not paid as close attention as did with the defense last Sat. night but I can't recall safeties lined up so far off the ball so often. Looks like we were anticipating a pooch punt.

In regards to the DEs posted earlier, our ends haven't been able to consistently contain the edge in many years. Don't know why, I'm not smart enough for that.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21638 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 1:20 pm to
GREAT article, Carl. Thanks!

I too, would love to see more of this type of discussion on TD. Actually, if these types of articles were being written in newspapers anymore, they wouldn't be going out of business. Thanks for finding out what happened.

Miles is at his best when he has strong coordinators who make the decisions and he acts as a CEO. He doesn't need to be dictating anything to Crowton or Chavis unless it's "attack" or "be more aggressive." These guys have experience. Let them run with it.
Posted by Carolinacajun
Davidson County Jail
Member since Oct 2003
12034 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 1:20 pm to
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Anyhow, we are exploring ways technically to improve the experience of the person that doesn't want to wade through too much bull

I applaud you sir.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 1:29 pm to
I really enjoyed reading this article. I wish every LSU would take the time to read it. Sad thing is, the ones that need to read it are the ones who will see how long the article is and go on to a new thread to tell the world how to fix LSU's problems.
Posted by Peachtree Tiger
Member since Jan 2004
3232 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 1:39 pm to
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So we can blame this all on Lester?


Obviously you can. Just like you can give him credit win the team wins a NC. The head coach is always responsible for the won-loss record of the football team. He's the boss, plain and simple.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 1:56 pm to
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...Can we learn anything, can we predict how his defense will perform the rest of the season, based upon their effort in the Washington game?...


I think that all depends on what we see the rest of the season. Personally, I thought the D played reasonable well for the 1st game of the yr and under a new DC. Their 1st series was a cluster #### for us, but after that and even though they moved the ball...the D had stops and take aways and even gave us a quick 6 pick.

Their last drive was played the way it should have been played. imo With the lead we had and the time remaining in the game, the only thing that really hurts us is if we give up a quick score. So, we played not to let that happen and it didn't. If anything Washington was out coached at the end cause that score they got didn't mean squat toward the game out come. To win that game and that is the object rather than make it closer, they had to go quicker and deeper. They didn't...they took what was given them. Smart if you have the time and not so smart if you don't.

Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9754 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 2:29 pm to
thanks for the excellent read.
Posted by panda
Member since Oct 2007
733 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 2:30 pm to
Random add-ons:
Great article - thanks Carl for the steady, insightful comments. You help make us better fans.

Chicken - thanks for paying attention to your baby. You clearly have a reader base that wants intelligent conversation.

Chavis - he and I share native american bloodlines, and sometimes we're stoic. That's what I'll go with for now, anyway.

And finally, don't forget that in the case of college ball, it's being played out in the hands and feet, and brains and hearts...of kids. This board can get uppity about "this is the SEC" "this is D-1" blah blah. I watched it happen during baseball season...all the way to Omaha, all the way to the championship game, all the way to...oh wait, what's that big ol ring you're fixin to slip on their fingers??? If you've ever been a parent, esp to boys (no offense) they take a very long time to mature, settle down, and focus. It's another one of the intangibles that can lay waste to the best made plans of grown men on a Saturday night.

See you Saturday in Tiger Stadium - whether ol Mike shows up or not! Another big ol boy! HA! Geaux Tigers.
Posted by ATR
Utopos
Member since Feb 2008
916 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 3:38 pm to
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Anyhow, we are exploring ways technically to improve the experience of the person that doesn't want to wade through too much bull.


Good news, Chicken!

And great article, Carl.

A little intellectual humility which allows us to admit not-knowing (or not-fully-knowing) is so welcome.

Also applauded is your marking up the cliches, platitudes and buzzwords which so often cover-up actual ignorance.

Three cheers for candor.
This post was edited on 9/10/09 at 4:27 pm
Posted by LSU Tigerhead
Metairie
Member since Nov 2007
5165 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 4:12 pm to
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Miles' coordinators found themselves coaching a defensive scheme they wouldn't have chosen if the decision had been theirs

This I fully agree with. Pelini is the only one who could run Pelini's system. When you don't "own" it, it's hard to control it when it flutters. Peveto and Mallory should have realized this and designed their own.
Posted by mgmer
Bossier City
Member since Jan 2007
294 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 4:25 pm to
Thanks Carl, keep it coming!!!
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40882 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 5:23 pm to
awsome article. Really enjoyed it.
Posted by Carl Dubois
Pacific Northwest
Member since Apr 2009
326 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 7:20 pm to
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Anyhow, we are exploring ways technically to improve the experience of the person that doesn't want to wade through too much bull.


In life, or just on the board?

I'm sure you mean the latter, but if you can master the former ...
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21005 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:54 pm to
Against Bama in '07 Flynn went into a funk and threw interceptions on three consecutive possessions I think. But later would throw a 4th down (?) pass to Doucet late in the game.

Against Auburn, I think we had something like 350+ yds of offense in the 2nd half alone (and I don't think we get any credit for the long pass LaFell bobbled and which was then intercepted). Great offensive show that half (and against Muschamp).

Posted by LSUdabomb
Pine ,Louisiana
Member since Jul 2009
143 posts
Posted on 9/10/09 at 10:34 pm to
I do not understand all the hate on chavis . He has been an excellent def. cord. for about 20 years, so why after one game is people doubting him. Pelini's first game was at Arizona St were his defense gave up over 560 yards and 31 pts. That defense went on to finish the season 3rd in scoring and 3rd in total yards in the nation. So my advice is for these people who are upset at chavis is to chill out and see how the defense plays over the next few weeks. By the way great post.
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