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How you boys? (and girls?)

For fun, I wrote this piece this morning while drinking Community Coffee from a Cafe du Monde mug in the Pacific Northwest, and it reminded me of fun times with y'all (yes, I still use that word).

The early kickoff (9 a.m. for me) Saturday gave me a rare chance to watch LSU play, and it prompted me to write the piece. Thought you might enjoy reading it.
I hope all is well down there in Baton Rouge, or wherever you might be.

You can have a lot of penalties and win a national championship
A gentleman and a model of steady, measured consistency, day after day after day. A lot of respect for him in many areas -- and sad to hear of his passing.

R.I.P.

re: how do you pronounce alex box

Posted by Carl Dubois on 4/15/12 at 8:03 pm to
Yes, but that quote comes from a nephew who never met his more famous uncle, who died before he was born. The brother who grew up with Alex Box said "Elec" as many times as he said "Alex" in the interviews I did with him.

You can find supporting evidence in the family for any of three pronunciations. That's why it's hard to say who's right and who's wrong. I think Alex, the nephew, is right when he says it's no big deal and that people shouldn't get bent out of shape about it.

re: how do you pronounce alex box

Posted by Carl Dubois on 4/15/12 at 4:46 pm to
I was just talking about this last week with someone in Oregon who graduated from LSU, and he sent me the link to this thread. Small world. Here is a section of a much longer piece I did in 2008 for The Advocate. I'm sure the full version is available in the paper's online archives for anyone who cares to look. The date was May 11, 2008.

For years, LSU announcers Bill Franques and Jim Hawthorne pronounced Alex Box Stadium as spelled, enunciating the ‘x’ in each of the first two words. In the 1990s, that changed.
Simeon Alexander Box, the former LSU athlete for whom the stadium was named, was called something closer to ‘Alec’ or ‘Elec’ by family members, the announcers learned.
Neal Box, a younger brother of Alex who lived in Baton Rouge for many years before he died at age 72 in 1996, explained the pronunciation in the early ’90s, Hawthorne said.
What Hawthorne heard sounded a lot like the informal name for the central Louisiana city of Alexandria, a nickname of sorts with a casual, country ring to it. Alex Box, 63, the nephew and namesake of the former LSU baseball and football player, said he used to hear it too.
“My uncle Neal pronounced my name almost like it was ‘E-l-e-c,’ and the same with his brother, Alex,” he said. “That’s just the way it came out.”
The younger Alex’s mother died hours after giving birth to him. His grandparents -- mother and father of the late Alex Box -- raised him. Uncles Neal and Ben, he said, were more like brothers to him.
Neal’s son, Bobby, is 55 and lives in Baton Rouge. He remembers hearing his grandmother snap off his cousin’s name far differently than its spelling.
“I can hear her: ‘C’mere, Elec!’ Just like that. ‘Elec. Elec!’ She didn’t say Alex,” Bobby Box said.
The younger Alex grew up in Laurel, Miss. Some of his teachers remembered his uncle. He said he always heard them pronounce it as spelled, perhaps because of the more formal setting of school and a tendency to enunciate clearly to set an example for students.
To this day, he pronounces his name as they did, as it appears in print: Alex Box.
“There’s no question it’s Alex,” he said, sounding the ‘x’ clearly, “but it’s really not that big a deal.”
He said he has no problem with people who pronounce it ‘Alec’ or ‘Elec’ or a variation.
“I just think it’s much ado about nothing,” he said, “but some people get bent out of shape about it, and there’s no reason for that.”
His father, Sam, is 90 and lives in Mobile, Ala. During 2006 and 2007 interviews, he said the name as ‘Alex’ at times, and as ‘Alec’ or ‘Elec’ at other times.
After listening to a number of explanations, one would be hard-pressed to know for sure how to spell the name phonetically, but Hawthorne agreed with a family member who said it’s correct however you choose to say it out loud.
“You can call it either way,” Hawthorne said. “It’s ‘Elex’ or it’s ‘Elec,’ and that’s what the family told us they preferred, so that’s what we’ve done since then.”


Alex.
Alec.
Elec.

Really, you can take your pick, and you won't be wrong. And although different family members I interviewed had slightly different nuance in the way they said it, they were all honored and humbled that the name Box remains iconic at LSU, as it should.

I will never forget, though, that in his most emotional response to a question about his younger brother's name, Sam (who has since passed away) hollered "Elec!" in the lobby of the nursing home as he sat there in his wheelchair. May they both rest in peace.

re: Great article by Carl Dubois.

Posted by Carl Dubois on 9/1/11 at 9:21 pm to
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I remember him bitching on Ott's show about it the day after.


I've seen a lot of inaccuracies about myself and others in the media on this site (and others), and I can't set the record straight on all of them, but I'd like to about this. I was not on Jimmy Ott's show the day after I left The Advocate, and I never talked about any of the circumstances post-Gustav on Jimmy's show or any other radio show.

Thanks for letting me set the record straight. Thanks also to those who posted and e-mailed kind words in the past week.

re: An opinion from Oregon

Posted by Carl Dubois on 8/26/11 at 9:45 am to
The first picture was taken after a drive of 2,700 miles. The second was taken after rediscovering the Rant.

Hope all my friends (and old adversaries) are doing well. I miss ... some of you!

Laissez les bons temps rouler. :cheers:
Thought LSU fans would want to know.

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In winter 1987, I covered a game in Lake Charles between Gulfport High School and Washington-Marion in the Popeyes Classic. This was, I think, the first year of the 3-point line in high schools. Maybe the second. Washington-Marion was reigning 3A state champion, having defeated the St. Thomas More team Lyle Mouton played for 50-49 in the championship game earlier that year. I think Gulfport was reigning 5A champion of Mississippi, but my memory is fuzzy about that.

Chris Jackson scored 55 points in the game, which was for the championship. The player guarding him, Randall Starland, was the state high jump champion. Jackson's between-the-legs-dribble, stop-and-pop jump shot was something Starland could never defend.

Here's the thing: Jackson made nine 3-point shots in the second quarter, including eight on consecutive trips down the floor. Fans, lined up four and five deep on that baseline at the St. Louis High School gym, took to raising their arms (signifying a 3) as soon as CJ crossed midcourt.

It remains the most amazing sustained performance I've ever seen in person at a basketball game. I saw Maravich on television, but never in person.

I had a VHS tape of the CJ game in Lake Charles and lent it to a co-worker, and I never saw it again. He swears he returned it, but ...

Jackson missed a dunk during the tournament, which he'd never done before, and his coach said "He'll practice that 200 times a day from now on." I'm sure he did. He famously shot hundreds of free throws every day, starting over when he'd miss. This was before we knew about his OCD issues and Tourette syndrome.

Anyway, I discovered this thread while surfing and wanted to share my memories of Jackson. Hope everyone is doing well.
I would encourage everyone who's ever looked at his site to send Don words of support during this very different (for him) holiday season. He was always a gentleman to me, kind and courteous, cut from a different cloth than many of the shouters making so much noise and saying nothing. Don loves LSU, plain and simple, and his commitment to his site is something precious few out there can come close to grasping. I stayed busy every day for years covering LSU because it was my job. He did it, and does it, because he loves his Tigers, and he loves his fellow LSU fans.

In the summer of 2007, I finally met Alex Box, the nephew of the man two baseball stadiums were named for, when Alex and his wife drove from near Augusta, Ga., through Baton Rouge on their way to Lafayette to be a part of the 50th wedding anniversary of Don and his bride. The two men became friends a long time ago because of Dandy Don's website, and their bond is part of what makes college athletics so special, especially in the Internet age that has made the world so small. It was a privilege to visit with Alex and to hear him talk with such respect for Don. They are both salt-of-the-earth gentlemen.

I miss Louisiana, but it's nothing like missing the woman you were married to for more than 50 years. If you can't imagine what that's like, might I recommend reading Don's Thanksgiving message from last month.

It's my hope Don will be blanketed by love, concern and best wishes this holiday season and for the rest of his life, and that people will understand -- before he's no longer around -- how special a fan he is. And, then, that they tell him, now, while he's here to hear them say it.

You're a good man, Don. Thanks for the times you came up and said hello. Merry Christmas, and may God bless you and your family.
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Nice bump


Was always a fan of the bump-and-run, and never understood why anyone wanted it to be against the rules.

:lol:

Just my way of saying hello on a rainy Sunday in the Pacific Northwest and that I'm paying attention -- and enjoying watching from afar. Hello, old friends. :cheers:
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Maybe that's all Miles thinks they need. It's worked for many championship teams: Play strong defense, have a solid kicking game, and don't beat yourself on offense.

This team has too many weapons to have to settle for that. The Tigers can open things up with Lee if they take a chance and line up in formations suited for him and for their skill set.

Why not? Am I crazy for asking the question?

No more crazy than the Mad Hatter, the coach I enjoyed watching every time he said, "Let's go for it." The coach who didn't coach scared.

Seeing Jarrett Lee and THAT Les Miles make a comeback at the same time? What a ride that would be.



Hey, I'm a patient man. It took slightly less than a year, but it happened. Lee and Lesticles on the same night, for the win. That's all I was really trying to say in that mountain of words last year.

Hope y'all are doing well. You have the most entertaining weekly drama in televised college football. Enjoy! :cheers:
Thanks for the kind words, everyone. As for the reference to Randy earlier, he's a workhorse and as dogged and determined as anyone I know. I can't imagine he's ever missed anything or failed to provide the most thorough coverage possible. He'll be a tough act to follow if he ever leaves.

I should mention I do appreciate Chicken and the opportunity he gave me here to write part-time last year. It helped keep me afloat. I also enjoyed all of the feedback from people here.

It's been a fun ride here in Baton Rouge. Thanks, from me, to anyone who was a part of it.

re: St Patrick Day LSU baseball uniform

Posted by Carl Dubois on 3/17/10 at 12:06 pm to
I thought some of you might enjoy reading an MLB.com story about the green tradition, linked on my blog HERE.

Hope to see some of you in green tonight at the Box.

Happy holidays to everyone, especially those who made it so much fun to write for the site from April through October. Best wishes for a great 2010.
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This thread brightened a very shitty day for me Carl!


Very happy to hear that.
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I had never heard of this place, but it says it is "The Bible of LSU Sports". What the **** does that mean? The football schedule on the link I clicked on was only updated to Washington?


Well, the Bible itself hasn't been updated in a long time either.

:rimshot:

But seriously, I'll check into this next week when I'm on the job.

Thanks again to everyone, especially those who posted on this thread. I appreciate the kindness. It seems my Friday piece will be my last, so I won't have anything after the game tonight. Take care, and best of luck to everyone.

Enjoy the rest of the season, and be good to each other. One thing I've learned is you never really know what the other person is going through at any particular time, and you never know how much you need people until you really do.

Best wishes, and thanks again.

CD
Yesterday I accepted the job of associate editor of Tiger Rag. I start Monday.

It's been only a few months since I started here with a "Hello (again)" post and a series of pieces on what proved to be a national championship baseball team. It's been a blast. Chicken has been great to me in a time of need, paying me promptly and giving me creative freedom and engaging me in regular, frank discussions about everything related to LSU, this site and sportswriting. He's a solid businessman and a straight shooter, and I respect that. He was a rock near the end of my 14 months of unemployment, and I'll never forget that. He sounded genuinely happy for me when I told him I found a job, and I appreciated that too.

You, the readers here, have been great. We've had good dialogue when I've had the time during my job search to check out what you've had to say, and for the most part the discussions we've had have been thoughtful, provocative, respectful and fair. Any misunderstandings (or errors) were my fault, not yours (or Chicken's).

I'll be around LSU, so I might continue to see and converse with some of you, but I won't be posting here after Sunday. Thank you for making it one of the most enjoyable periods of my 26 years of writing about the games people play.

Best wishes to each and every one of you.

Carl Dubois
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Good job, Carl, but you totally missed the "Prussians" reference.


Thought about it. Wanted to. Almost did. Couldn't bring myself to do it.

Tulane vs. LSU: First ... and last?

Posted by Carl Dubois on 10/30/09 at 12:08 am
LSU and Tulane will play football against each other for the 98th time Saturday. LSU's game notes say the Tigers lead the series 68-22-7. Tulane's game notes say it's 66-24-7.

At least they agree about who won 88 of the 90 games that had a winner.

The first game between the schools was the first football game in LSU history, the only one of the 1893 "season." It happened at Sportsman's Park in New Orleans on Nov. 25, 1893. Tiger Rant threads that week were about what you'd imagine:


We own Tulane
WarSkuleRulz: We handled their nine on the diamond in the spring. Ten to eight. We will emerge victorious.

Just watched practice
AgriMajor92: We have some fellows who can run and cradle the pigskin, and at the same time. I bet none else in this nation are the better at it.

FanAttic: Did you get a telling view of Ruffin Pleasant's calves?

AgriMajor92: Yes, they are quite the specimens. As he was on his way to the farm later, they were tethered to a nearby post during practice rushes.

Do you think Coates a wise choice?
CadetLad: I harbor reservations about our coach. Are we to believe him up to the task?

Methinks: I trust no one from as far north as Baltimore.

AgriMajor92: He is becoming increasingly wise about the benefits of sugar. This could provide an advantage for our boys.

CadetLad: My nephew, who is ten but strapping and well fitted with derring-do, roams the gridiron for a young tactician called Leopold Saban. We should do well to have him lead our charges rather than this Coates.

Is the word given on uniforms?
TigerRagamuffin: Our base ball boys were attired in purple and gold in victory opposite the Tulane performers. What is the talk about our dress for this occasion?

ShunNotTradiShun: A most foul and unpleasant pox shall descend upon he who alters this fashion in any manner.

EinsteinIsAWeirdo: I would not at all mind a more vibrant shade of gold.

QuillTheThrill: Inasmuch as we shall be guests in this contest, an introduction of gray into our ensemble should be required.

BeatTheRushHateTulaneEarly: Is this a Tulane rule? They are already threatening to charge higher admission fees for this affair merely because we are the arranged visitors.

Prof. Morgan
FanAttic: Are the rumors verified as to the positioning of chemistry professor Harcourt Morgan as both a coach and a player?

GayleForceWinds: I, too, have heard this. My girl's mother has afternoon tea with a lady who tells her she is a neighbor to a man of letters who introduced the professor to Baton Rouge society, and her tales from a fortnight ago lend credence to this speculation.

FreshMan: Does she have an appealing elegant line of the neck? Have you at least a daguerreotype to share?

Do not post players' telegrams
Poultry: Hear me now, good fellows. I shall remove any contributions that purport to be the telegram texts of any of our boys.

CadetLad: HOW DO YOU DARE STOP US FROM OUR FUN STOP

Poultry: Clever. But, do not test me.

EinsteinIsAWierdo: The one supposedly sent from Prescott to his parents was not believable. He would rather die than leave us and enroll at the Alabama school.

CajunMenace: We don't have a college yet, but if not for you Seminary of Learning of the State of Louisiana people, we would have one by now. You are holding us back, and we will soon conspire to catch and surpass you. Mark my words!

CadetLad: That's not our name! Be gone, Freudian cliche! Poultry, away with all trace of him!

Run left, or right?
WalterCamp: This flying wedge is the correct strategic attack, but should we run left, or right?

Reveille: Balance is suggested by those in the know, and it should include some element of surprise.

CadetLad: The reputation of Mr. Coates is that of predictability. I fear this shall be our undoing.

AgriMajor92: That is all you ever write, scoundrel.

CadetLad: **This posting redacted by administrator**

We do not receive proper respect
PlagioclaseFeldspar: The New York Journal and Boston Herald each penned articles about this foot ball at colleges, and not one word about our boys. They despise us, and openly.

TheRealQuill: I could reveal here a more meaningful utilization or two of their paper, but the few ladies who frequent our establishment would be rendered faint by the odors suggested by their mind's eyes upon reading it.

CadetLad: I have yet to meet a scribe who does not reek.

FanAttic: What you said, I double.

FreshMan: The local rag, which is said to be prepared to indicate this sport as too violent and ungentlemanly, has yet to arrive at my dwelling. I am considering cancelling my subscription already, and I shall if they besmirch our boys and their courageous efforts.

AgriMajor92: Everything I know and suspect about this club of ours, I discover here, not from the morning pages. They are soon to be irrelevant to any discussion.

Tulane's secret plan?
WalterCamp: You know I wish not to spread rumors, but too many accounts have emerged wherein the Tulane strategy appears to be augmenting the roster with participants from the Southern Athletic Club. Do any of you hear the same?

TheRealQuill: It should not surprise me. They are nothing if not carpetbaggers and cheats.

Let's meet for early snacks
GayleForceWinds: Prior to this contest, I recommend we park ourselves under the shade of nearby trees and enjoy party foods easily assembled, along with beverages. Friends in New Orleans will meet us, and we can establish an area for gathering near their velocipedes, and we'll taste the picnic and anticipate the contest with vigorous debate.

ContributorNameGoesHere: Velocipedes? Are these what are now called bicycles?

AgriMajor92: A splendid idea, and one I dare say no one has thought of prior to this.

GayleForceWinds: And if they have, they could not have thought of it nor practiced it as wonderfully as us.

Should we be playing against Tulane?
GroverClevelandIsALiberal: Another sporting contest with those fellows? Do we want this becoming a habit?

DorianGrayGhost: We should not schedule them ever again.

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Carl Dubois
has written or blogged about LSU since '99. That's 1999. He apologizes to those who were hoping for a serious game analysis, and he hopes this is in some way an enjoyable substitute as we prepare for what could be the last Tulane-LSU football game in a long time. He thanks Peter Finney and his history of LSU football for an assist, and he hopes Pete will forgive him for linking him to such silliness. You can contact him at carl1061 'at' gmail.com.
In the article to which I think you're referring, I made no mention of Tebow, nor any connection between Tebow and Jefferson. So, no, there's nothing I wish to amend.