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Column: Defenses, catchphrases, deception and coordination
Posted on 9/10/09 at 10:32 am
Posted on 9/10/09 at 10:32 am
After more than 25 years of writing about sports at home and away, sometimes I think we're all stumbling around in the dark in a strange hotel room, wishing we had a light source as we try to rediscover the layout and get our bearings.
Flip a switch and realize the few shapes created by a sliver of outside light turn out to have created the illusion of something different than what they appeared to be.
The paradox of sports in 2009 is at a time when we appear to have more information than ever about the teams we follow -- thanks to streaming video, blogs, databases, cable TV packages and many other sources -- most teams and their coaches are more secretive and guarded than ever. "I'm honest when I say I am deceptive" is often the most candid we can expect.
Beyond that, we're on our own. Too many times, we build houses of understanding on sand, frameworks of premises on shaky foundations, and the elaborate structures we hammer together on top of them look pretty and true to our blueprint -- until they crumble.
These things happen more frequently than they did nearly two decades ago when Jim Mora, then coach of the New Orleans Saints, delivered a frank rebuke of someone whose question of Mora contained in its context an analytical premise the coach dismissed as way off the mark.
"You don't know when it's good or bad," Mora said. "You really don't know, because you don't know what we're trying to do. You guys don't look at the films. You don't know what happened. You really don't know. You think you know, but you don't know -- and you never will."
Then and now, and in the years in between, that quote rings true to me, and I suspect to many in my profession who wouldn't publicly admit it. Most of the time, shooting straight in the dark is the best we can hope for, confronting "I'm honest when I say I'm deceptive" with the best analysis we can muster with limited input.
Whose fault was the interception? To know that, it helps to know what the offense was trying to attack, where the receiver was supposed to run, how he was to adjust his route for Plan B, and where the quarterback expected him to be when he released the ball.
At times, it's a modest success to realize what you don't know, to understand when others don't know what they think they know, and to keep asking questions. The truth is usually hidden inside quick assumptions, buzzwords and easy conclusions.
These are my thoughts as I still ponder what went wrong with LSU's defense in 2008. It's a relevant topic as we all try to get a handle on what should be considered good and bad about the defense's performance in the Tigers' 31-23 victory Saturday at Washington.
I could jump on the bandwagon and bang the drum with the popular beat. I know the right words. Co-coordinators. Mallveto. Confusion. Read and react. Soft. Blitz more. Saban. Aggressive. Press man.
Trying to see through the looking glass from the other side, I let the hysteria of 2008 subside until I could talk with players and coaches, some still in the program, some no longer there, to get a read with dispassionate perspective.
I don't have all the answers. I have what I consider a better understanding than I had before 7-5 became 8-5 at the Chick-fil-A Bowl. I've decided it's a work in progress, just like everything these days, just like the 2009 defense.
Here is what I think: If you single out any one thing and pin LSU's defensive struggles on that one area, you're wrong. If you expand the list to the five most compelling reasons, the analysis is stronger but incomplete.
It's not that there were co-coordinators. All defensive staffs are collaborative efforts, some more than others, but with organizational charts that require cooperation.
LSU won a national championship with co-coordinators on defense. Their names were Nick Saban and Will Muschamp.
True, Saban was head coach, Muschamp was coordinator. True, almost everyone with an opinion would swear Muschamp was coordinator in name only.
Titles have their place on coaching staffs. Associate head coach. Co-coordinator. Often, these are perks of semantics, in lieu of a pay raise, or to justify one. They require no less collaboration than before, if not streamlining or clarifying of the chain of command.
In my list of buzzwords and catchphrases earlier, I omitted one that's instructive to bring out of hiding now.
One voice.
As in, "The defense needed one voice. Having one coordinator in charge will fix that problem."
Perhaps, but upon that foundation can rest uneasy the faulty premise that that's going to fix every problem.
What I've learned from more than 25 years of talking with coaches, at LSU and at other programs, is just how collaborative defensive staffs are. Coordinators whose egos don't need stroking freely admit their assistants play major roles in decision making and implementation, and these coordinators are content to refer to themselves by the more humble label of defense "callers."
They call the defense, because their must be one person to do so, but the coordination is exactly what is part and parcel of the word: cooperation, collaboration.
One voice? That was Les Miles. He made the decision in 2008 to continue the defensive approach of Bo Pelini, a defensive philosophy that was in place when LSU won the 2007 BCS national championship. It was a defensive approach that nonetheless showed vulnerabilities, exacerbated by defensive personnel, against the offensive revolution under way in college football.
Miles' coordinators found themselves coaching a defensive scheme they wouldn't have chosen if the decision had been theirs, and when the vulnerabilities revealed they had not gone away (but in some cases only the names had changed), Miles stepped in and got involved. In some cases, the coordinators were working with both hands tied behind their backs.
It was a no-win situation for them, and no win is how LSU emerged from five of the 12 games on its regular-season schedule.
Miles realized he had to fix the problem, a problem he created with the decisions he made after Pelini left for Nebraska. In the kinds of conversations that occur in private, the coordinators understood they should -- catchphrase alert -- pursue other opportunities.
It's not that there were co-coordinators. It's not that there were these two specific co-coordinators. It's that there were these two specific co-coordinators, using that style of defense, with those particular players, with one-on-one coverage weaknesses, with an underachieving line, with a linebacker corps in flux, with leadership inferior to that of 2007, with defenses still catching up to offenses, with a head coach who came of age in run-oriented football getting involved in the defense of a different age, with countless other things that went wrong.
And all the while, the 2003 BCS national championship defense remains held up as the shining example.
Except, that was another time, a time that's gone.
Matt Flynn's best two games, arguably, of the regular season during LSU's run toward the 2007 BCS national championship? They came against Alabama (Saban) and Auburn (Muschamp).
As a nod to my new friend Luke, please allow me this edit to clarify I'm talking about offensive production, which is often the centerpiece of these discussions we've been having about how effective defenses are. Flynn's only two 300-yard passing games in 2007 were against Alabama and Auburn, and in each of those games he threw a regular-season-high three touchdown passes.
Of course, most coaches measure defenses by how few points they allow. Remember Bob Stoops being defensive that an ABC announcer referred to LSU as having the No. 1 defense in 2003? Stoops pointed out the Sooners were No. 1 in total defense. LSU was No. 1 in sc
Flip a switch and realize the few shapes created by a sliver of outside light turn out to have created the illusion of something different than what they appeared to be.
The paradox of sports in 2009 is at a time when we appear to have more information than ever about the teams we follow -- thanks to streaming video, blogs, databases, cable TV packages and many other sources -- most teams and their coaches are more secretive and guarded than ever. "I'm honest when I say I am deceptive" is often the most candid we can expect.
Beyond that, we're on our own. Too many times, we build houses of understanding on sand, frameworks of premises on shaky foundations, and the elaborate structures we hammer together on top of them look pretty and true to our blueprint -- until they crumble.
These things happen more frequently than they did nearly two decades ago when Jim Mora, then coach of the New Orleans Saints, delivered a frank rebuke of someone whose question of Mora contained in its context an analytical premise the coach dismissed as way off the mark.
"You don't know when it's good or bad," Mora said. "You really don't know, because you don't know what we're trying to do. You guys don't look at the films. You don't know what happened. You really don't know. You think you know, but you don't know -- and you never will."
Then and now, and in the years in between, that quote rings true to me, and I suspect to many in my profession who wouldn't publicly admit it. Most of the time, shooting straight in the dark is the best we can hope for, confronting "I'm honest when I say I'm deceptive" with the best analysis we can muster with limited input.
Whose fault was the interception? To know that, it helps to know what the offense was trying to attack, where the receiver was supposed to run, how he was to adjust his route for Plan B, and where the quarterback expected him to be when he released the ball.
At times, it's a modest success to realize what you don't know, to understand when others don't know what they think they know, and to keep asking questions. The truth is usually hidden inside quick assumptions, buzzwords and easy conclusions.
These are my thoughts as I still ponder what went wrong with LSU's defense in 2008. It's a relevant topic as we all try to get a handle on what should be considered good and bad about the defense's performance in the Tigers' 31-23 victory Saturday at Washington.
I could jump on the bandwagon and bang the drum with the popular beat. I know the right words. Co-coordinators. Mallveto. Confusion. Read and react. Soft. Blitz more. Saban. Aggressive. Press man.
Trying to see through the looking glass from the other side, I let the hysteria of 2008 subside until I could talk with players and coaches, some still in the program, some no longer there, to get a read with dispassionate perspective.
I don't have all the answers. I have what I consider a better understanding than I had before 7-5 became 8-5 at the Chick-fil-A Bowl. I've decided it's a work in progress, just like everything these days, just like the 2009 defense.
Here is what I think: If you single out any one thing and pin LSU's defensive struggles on that one area, you're wrong. If you expand the list to the five most compelling reasons, the analysis is stronger but incomplete.
It's not that there were co-coordinators. All defensive staffs are collaborative efforts, some more than others, but with organizational charts that require cooperation.
LSU won a national championship with co-coordinators on defense. Their names were Nick Saban and Will Muschamp.
True, Saban was head coach, Muschamp was coordinator. True, almost everyone with an opinion would swear Muschamp was coordinator in name only.
Titles have their place on coaching staffs. Associate head coach. Co-coordinator. Often, these are perks of semantics, in lieu of a pay raise, or to justify one. They require no less collaboration than before, if not streamlining or clarifying of the chain of command.
In my list of buzzwords and catchphrases earlier, I omitted one that's instructive to bring out of hiding now.
One voice.
As in, "The defense needed one voice. Having one coordinator in charge will fix that problem."
Perhaps, but upon that foundation can rest uneasy the faulty premise that that's going to fix every problem.
What I've learned from more than 25 years of talking with coaches, at LSU and at other programs, is just how collaborative defensive staffs are. Coordinators whose egos don't need stroking freely admit their assistants play major roles in decision making and implementation, and these coordinators are content to refer to themselves by the more humble label of defense "callers."
They call the defense, because their must be one person to do so, but the coordination is exactly what is part and parcel of the word: cooperation, collaboration.
One voice? That was Les Miles. He made the decision in 2008 to continue the defensive approach of Bo Pelini, a defensive philosophy that was in place when LSU won the 2007 BCS national championship. It was a defensive approach that nonetheless showed vulnerabilities, exacerbated by defensive personnel, against the offensive revolution under way in college football.
Miles' coordinators found themselves coaching a defensive scheme they wouldn't have chosen if the decision had been theirs, and when the vulnerabilities revealed they had not gone away (but in some cases only the names had changed), Miles stepped in and got involved. In some cases, the coordinators were working with both hands tied behind their backs.
It was a no-win situation for them, and no win is how LSU emerged from five of the 12 games on its regular-season schedule.
Miles realized he had to fix the problem, a problem he created with the decisions he made after Pelini left for Nebraska. In the kinds of conversations that occur in private, the coordinators understood they should -- catchphrase alert -- pursue other opportunities.
It's not that there were co-coordinators. It's not that there were these two specific co-coordinators. It's that there were these two specific co-coordinators, using that style of defense, with those particular players, with one-on-one coverage weaknesses, with an underachieving line, with a linebacker corps in flux, with leadership inferior to that of 2007, with defenses still catching up to offenses, with a head coach who came of age in run-oriented football getting involved in the defense of a different age, with countless other things that went wrong.
And all the while, the 2003 BCS national championship defense remains held up as the shining example.
Except, that was another time, a time that's gone.
Matt Flynn's best two games, arguably, of the regular season during LSU's run toward the 2007 BCS national championship? They came against Alabama (Saban) and Auburn (Muschamp).
As a nod to my new friend Luke, please allow me this edit to clarify I'm talking about offensive production, which is often the centerpiece of these discussions we've been having about how effective defenses are. Flynn's only two 300-yard passing games in 2007 were against Alabama and Auburn, and in each of those games he threw a regular-season-high three touchdown passes.
Of course, most coaches measure defenses by how few points they allow. Remember Bob Stoops being defensive that an ABC announcer referred to LSU as having the No. 1 defense in 2003? Stoops pointed out the Sooners were No. 1 in total defense. LSU was No. 1 in sc
Posted on 9/10/09 at 10:43 am to Carl Dubois
Some great analysis that I am afraid will be wasted on the majority of fans as I can so clearly already hear the chants coming...."Co-coordinators. Mallveto. Confusion. Read and react. Soft. Blitz more. Saban. Aggressive. Press man".....just as you said. We try to make football black and white...but it simply can't be. Nothing in life is. It's intricate. A good coach has the ability to wade through the maze of possibilities with each challenge and push the right buttons. Often, the changes don't come overnight, but if the decisions are right and solid, changes will be seen. The problem is, most fan bases can't wait long enough to find out.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 8:22 am to Carl Dubois
I agree the LSU defense is a work in progress. I saw bright spots on Saturday night (Sunday morning!) but I still saw some of the weaknesses such as defensive ends not containing on the ends after they were sucked in by the play action fakes. However, one thing I do know, Bo and Muschamp both had something that Chavis didn't show...."fire" on the sidelines. He appeared to be in a trance most of the game. I think he will create a great defense for us, but I sure hope he shows more involvement on the sidelines. Pat a guy on the back when he does good, and get in his face when he doesn't.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 8:32 am to Carl Dubois
quote:
That was Les Miles. He made the decision in 2008 to continue the defensive approach of Bo Pelini, a defensive philosophy that was in place when LSU won the 2007 BCS national championship. It was a defensive approach that nonetheless showed vulnerabilities, exacerbated by defensive personnel, against the offensive revolution under way in college football.
Miles' coordinators found themselves coaching a defensive scheme they wouldn't have chosen if the decision had been theirs
So we can blame this all on Lester? The High Hat needs to realize that his defensive philosophy sucks
Posted on 9/10/09 at 8:38 am to Carl Dubois
I appreciate the thoughtful, deliberative style of writing.
The press is often accused of being an elite body who believes themselves to possess some secret knowledge. That's been largely exposed by the internet when we've seen outsiders break stories and do quite well in areas such as political reportage.
Jim Mora's claim that the media will never understand football is baloney. Football isn't rocket science and everyone on this board knows the difference between an effective and an ineffective defense. Sports is so widely popular because it is so easy to understand: the scoreboard tells the story. People like Mora want to claim that they have some secret knowledge to avoid criticism.
The difference between the good and great coaches is largely a matter of obsessive effort. Fans who are equally obsessive about games are no less capable of understanding the difference between the top defensive teams and the inferior ones.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 8:53 am to triplesauce
Nice article as usual, Carl. I've been looking for your column ever since the Washington game.
Dubose's example is illustrative. During a season, no one on the team is going to say, "Hey, we don't have the personel to run effective man to man coverage, but we're stuck playing this scheme because it's too late to make effective changes." Few are the teams, even championship teams, that have no relative weaknesses that must be compensated for.
quote:Triplesauce, I have to respectfully disagree, considering the context of the comment. I really don't think that Mora was saying that the average Joe is incapable of understanding football. I think he was saying that a coach's job is much like the games of poker and chess. You don't know what the coach is holding in the hole, and strategies are multi-layered, so an outsider will never see the "rest of the story".
Jim Mora's claim that the media will never understand football is baloney. Football isn't rocket science and everyone on this board knows the difference between an effective and an ineffective defense. Sports is so widely popular because it is so easy to understand: the scoreboard tells the story. People like Mora want to claim that they have some secret knowledge to avoid criticism.
Dubose's example is illustrative. During a season, no one on the team is going to say, "Hey, we don't have the personel to run effective man to man coverage, but we're stuck playing this scheme because it's too late to make effective changes." Few are the teams, even championship teams, that have no relative weaknesses that must be compensated for.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 8:56 am to Carl Dubois
So we can blame miles for last years defense...from this article it looks like his hands were all over it....
Posted on 9/10/09 at 8:57 am to triplesauce
quote:
Fans who are equally obsessive about games are no less capable of understanding the difference between the top defensive teams and the inferior ones.
I agree. Where I tend to side with Mora in most cases is with respect to identifying precisely why a defense (or anything else) is inferior. I think we can all tell when a defense isn't up to par. Knowing the causes is another matter.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:07 am to Carl Dubois
great article carl, as always.
but:
should be 31-23, to be accurate.

but:
quote:
31-21 victory
should be 31-23, to be accurate.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:12 am to TheDoc
Thanks, Doc. It's hell when the fingers don't do what the brain tells them to do.
Typo, typo, it's off to work I go ...
Typo, typo, it's off to work I go ...
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:13 am to Jimbeaux
Carl, excellent article.
Jimbeaux, good answer. What Mora was trying to say was that unless (we/you) know exactly what was called on any particular play, how can you put blame on what went wrong or right in some cases.
From an outsider or fan, we watch lee throw a pick-six and instantly say he sucks as a QB. But, maybe the receiver simply didn't do or get where he was supposed to be. Is it still Lee's fault if the play calls for him to throw it to a particular spot. That's just 1 simple example.
Much like the D on Sat. night. I'm sure there were multiple times that more than one player screwed up an assignment on a given play. Yet, fans will usually single 1 guy out as having blown the play.
Last year, Miles made a decision to try and keep in place what BP had established. That's not unprecedented for a coach to do. Problem was that BP scheme was starting to get exposed. Add to that a guy in pevato who at NSU ran a totally different scheme and you have a recipe for disaster.
Miles made a mistake that he couldn't correct, again not unprecedented for a coach. So now he cleans it out and brings in a new DC with skins on the wall. While this D has a load of talent, these players weren't specifically recruited by Chavis. Some guys may not be ideal in this scheme, but Chavis will have to work with what is here. Because of this, you'll see growing pains this year. We'll do some good and some bad. But, the guy should at least be given a chance.
Jimbeaux, good answer. What Mora was trying to say was that unless (we/you) know exactly what was called on any particular play, how can you put blame on what went wrong or right in some cases.
From an outsider or fan, we watch lee throw a pick-six and instantly say he sucks as a QB. But, maybe the receiver simply didn't do or get where he was supposed to be. Is it still Lee's fault if the play calls for him to throw it to a particular spot. That's just 1 simple example.
Much like the D on Sat. night. I'm sure there were multiple times that more than one player screwed up an assignment on a given play. Yet, fans will usually single 1 guy out as having blown the play.
Last year, Miles made a decision to try and keep in place what BP had established. That's not unprecedented for a coach to do. Problem was that BP scheme was starting to get exposed. Add to that a guy in pevato who at NSU ran a totally different scheme and you have a recipe for disaster.
Miles made a mistake that he couldn't correct, again not unprecedented for a coach. So now he cleans it out and brings in a new DC with skins on the wall. While this D has a load of talent, these players weren't specifically recruited by Chavis. Some guys may not be ideal in this scheme, but Chavis will have to work with what is here. Because of this, you'll see growing pains this year. We'll do some good and some bad. But, the guy should at least be given a chance.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:21 am to Carl Dubois
Its unfortunate there are so many stupid comments made in regards to a good article Carl.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:22 am to Carl Dubois
quote:
Matt Flynn's best two games, arguably, of the regular season during LSU's run toward the 2007 BCS national championship? They came against Alabama (Saban) and Auburn (Muschamp).
Um...no Carl.
No.
ETA: Not trying to be a dick, but I PARTICULARLY remember Matt Mauck throwing a couple (or was it 3) untimely interceptions against Alabama. It's one of the reasons the game was even CLOSE in the first place (recall we started the game and went up by a bunch quick.)
Just don't think Alabama was even CLOSE to one of Flynn's best games. Auburn, I don't remember so much, but I recall it being way closer than it should have as well. I seem to remember that being a defensive problem though.
Excellent Article...didn't mean to sound like an arse
This post was edited on 9/10/09 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:28 am to Luke4LSU
The interceptions Flynn threw clearly hurt, and I probably should have specified I was talking mostly about offensive production. The Bama and Auburn games were his only 300-yard passing games during the 2007 regular season. A lot of talk about the defenses revolve around how much total offense they allow. It was within that context I wrote the above.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:32 am to Carl Dubois
Best thread of the week.
This is what insightful talk should be like. None of the simple "Fire Les", "Vanilla Offense" stuff, just people talking and admitting that they don't know everything. This is how we learn.
This is what insightful talk should be like. None of the simple "Fire Les", "Vanilla Offense" stuff, just people talking and admitting that they don't know everything. This is how we learn.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 9:43 am to Choupique19
Thanks. I'm having some technical difficulties with an editing problem. The end of the column is missing. Please stand by.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 10:59 am to Carl Dubois
Great analysis Carl. And very good responses in this thread as well both agreeing and disagreeing with OP. Would love to see more of these rational discussions on the rant.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 11:08 am to siliconvalleytiger
quote:I am working on it. It might take some time to turn things around, but we have more admin eyes on this board than ever.
Would love to see more of these rational discussions on the rant.
Posted on 9/10/09 at 11:29 am to Chicken
Chicken,
There was a time back right before I joined and about when I first posted on the rant that intelligent football discussion did take place. It's been a while and it makes it tough to read nowadays. It seemed back then we would get great discussion weekly from fans of other teams, especially Georgia and Auburn if I remember correctly. I think 12Gauge also brought a good perspective from Florida. Now these visiting fans are pushed away almost immediately by insults and unintelligible rantards.
The board has never been perfect, it's a message board, but it seems lately overreactions and dramatic posts have gotten out of hand. Would love to see you return it to its glory days. Glad to see you're working on it and appreciate the hard work over the years.
There was a time back right before I joined and about when I first posted on the rant that intelligent football discussion did take place. It's been a while and it makes it tough to read nowadays. It seemed back then we would get great discussion weekly from fans of other teams, especially Georgia and Auburn if I remember correctly. I think 12Gauge also brought a good perspective from Florida. Now these visiting fans are pushed away almost immediately by insults and unintelligible rantards.
The board has never been perfect, it's a message board, but it seems lately overreactions and dramatic posts have gotten out of hand. Would love to see you return it to its glory days. Glad to see you're working on it and appreciate the hard work over the years.
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