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re: College Softball weekly poll, LSU slides to #18
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:35 pm to Bhs83
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:35 pm to Bhs83
I was speaking to the other poster
GeauxTigers2018 has to be a family member or someone close to CC Caccamise.
Schlattman is LSU's best option at catcher and she isn't necessarily the answer 50 stolen bases on 55 attempts is a lot. But she has the arm and ability to be decent defensively. Offense still remains a problem.
CC just is not the answer LSU needs as of now unless she take MAJOR strides in development
She is not a power 5 catcher
GeauxTigers2018 has to be a family member or someone close to CC Caccamise.
Schlattman is LSU's best option at catcher and she isn't necessarily the answer 50 stolen bases on 55 attempts is a lot. But she has the arm and ability to be decent defensively. Offense still remains a problem.
CC just is not the answer LSU needs as of now unless she take MAJOR strides in development
She is not a power 5 catcher
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 1:45 pm
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:43 pm to Tigerbait357
ok because i know i did mention that, in question form. Glad Springfield is coming back, she can change a game with one swing.
Grindz mentioned that she was gone for the season and i asked for confirmation, nobody said anything.
Wonder how Beth is going to do it now with Sunseri healthy and Springfield coming back.
Grindz mentioned that she was gone for the season and i asked for confirmation, nobody said anything.
Wonder how Beth is going to do it now with Sunseri healthy and Springfield coming back.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:46 pm to Tigerbait357
CC can play infield, too. If she can get her hitting going she can try for a spot somewhere in the infield. Schlatmann is a pretty good catcher, I think.
Where does Goff normally play?
Where does Goff normally play?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:47 pm to Bhs83
I have never heard she is out for the season. I did hear LSU will try to play her sometime on this back half of SEC play. When exactly, I do not know. They have been extremely cautious with her, and I am fine with that.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:47 pm to Bhs1983
Idk. It’s why I’m honestly surprised they are ranked after the player losses they incurred after lotief was fired. Guess we will see.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:50 pm to Bhs83
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Where does Goff normally play?
Normally 2B but the reality is Beth is not making these changes this late in the season, especially in the middle of the most difficult stretch in SEC play.
If LSU wanted to move that route it should have been been done before. I think that ship is sailed. What you see now is what to expect this last part of the year.
Schulte, Sanchez, Schlattman will all remain as starters. Any new starters won't be until next year and I am not even sure about that
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:56 pm to Bhs83
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Grindz mentioned that she was gone for the season and i asked for confirmation, nobody said anything.
Definitely a human I would like to punch in the face if such a thing were not frowned upon by law enforcement agencies. I would bet that grindz = educote.
Springfield is due back this weekend perhaps. I don't remember where I heard it...could have been tv/radio but not sure.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:51 pm to Tigerbait357
Softball passes new Rule
If I am reading it right effective immediately coaches cannot contact prospects until September 1st each year when you become a Junior.
INDIANAPOLIS - On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, the NCAA Division I Council announced that it passed legislation establishing September 1 of a prospective student-athlete’s (“PSA’s”) junior year as the start date for all softball recruiting contact, effective immediately, pending NCAA Board of Directors approval.
This means that all recruiting communications between Division I softball coaches and PSAs and their families will be impermissible prior to September 1 of the Junior Year.
If I am reading it right effective immediately coaches cannot contact prospects until September 1st each year when you become a Junior.
INDIANAPOLIS - On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, the NCAA Division I Council announced that it passed legislation establishing September 1 of a prospective student-athlete’s (“PSA’s”) junior year as the start date for all softball recruiting contact, effective immediately, pending NCAA Board of Directors approval.
This means that all recruiting communications between Division I softball coaches and PSAs and their families will be impermissible prior to September 1 of the Junior Year.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:03 pm to lsuman25
Just got the email from NFCA with same info as the link...
Key point here...
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This means that for softball, all recruiting contact will begin September 1, junior year.
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This means that all recruiting communications between Division I softball coaches and PSAs and their families will be impermissible prior to September 1 of the Junior Year.
Key point here...
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One NCAA interpretation that is critical for this new rule to work is that third parties, including but not limited to travel ball and high school coaches, may not be used to circumvent NCAA recruiting rules.
Messages may not be passed through any third parties in an effort to continue recruiting communications between coaches and PSAs; this would be considered an NCAA rule violation.
Consequences for NCAA rule violations can vary based on the facts and history of the parties involved. For many coaches, an NCAA rule violation can be grounds for termination.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:28 pm to 18handicap
Finally
So this means now all prospects in 2020 and forward can't be contacted now ?
So this means now all prospects in 2020 and forward can't be contacted now ?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 6:00 pm to Tigerbait357
That question was asked of Jo Evans at my clinic and she wasn't sure. I know for sure is that if they haven't committed yet, they can't talk. For those who have, I'll have to find out.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 6:52 pm to Tigerbait357
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CC does not have the arm to throw out runners, that itself is a major liability. She continues to drop pitches. IMO she isn't even a power 5 caliber catcher or hitter.
Probably isn't fair for me to say that about CC in her limited at bats
Yeah since you said you wanted to see her start a few weeks ago.
You got your wish for one game and now we need to "pull her arse out". This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 7:11 pm to saintsfan22
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Yeah since you said you wanted to see her start a few weeks ago. You got your wish for one game and now we need to "pull her arse out".
I am all for backups having a chance but do you think on the road vs a top ranked Tennessee team is the place to do it, especially with a power pitcher like hoover on the mound, who has a history of bein wild while throwing 70mph balls?
I never called her to be an everyday starter. I simply stated that it be nice to work some of the players on the bench to see what they can and cannot do. That is very fair. Mid week matchups would be a way better place to do it
You know you can start someone, and if they aren't playing well you can make a change. I mean it happens in every sport. She went multiple innings in a row dropping strikes over the plate. There is a reason Torina never lets her hit because she just can't as of now. She was there strictly for defensive purposes but she couldn't provide that. Yes hoover was wild at times but she couldn't block any of her wild pitches.
But continue to twist what I say.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:57 pm to Tigerbait357
The question is, how do you explain the recruitment and signing of a player that has below average skills at the position?
You didn't really just say that on an LSU softball thread did you? What you just stated is a pure impossibility to happen in this program. We have seen some of the worst play in SEC history at some of our positions and have never seen a change. Yes, read that again, worst in the history of the SEC and they are penciled in every single game for years at a time.
I posted some hard stats on a thread last year showing just how bad we have been yet to this day some of those same players have started every game and we have regressed even more at one position (and I thought that was impossible).
Our current pitching gives us the ability to hide incredible flaws. This could very well be the last year of AA level pitching for a while.
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You know you can start someone, and if they aren't playing well you can make a change. I mean it happens in every sport.
You didn't really just say that on an LSU softball thread did you? What you just stated is a pure impossibility to happen in this program. We have seen some of the worst play in SEC history at some of our positions and have never seen a change. Yes, read that again, worst in the history of the SEC and they are penciled in every single game for years at a time.
I posted some hard stats on a thread last year showing just how bad we have been yet to this day some of those same players have started every game and we have regressed even more at one position (and I thought that was impossible).
Our current pitching gives us the ability to hide incredible flaws. This could very well be the last year of AA level pitching for a while.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:09 pm to LSUAshlyn
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This could very well be the last year of AA level pitching for a while
I don't think we will be bad in the circle anytime soon. We have some talented kids on the mound, they just happen to be behind two of best in the country. The talent and development on the mound is there. I am excited about Maribeth and Sunseri. We have some really talented kids coming in next season as well. Will never worry much about the pitchers with Beth running it.
Position players And development remains a major question for sure and definitely a valid concern. Only hope for LSU next year offensively is Andrews, Doyle, and Antoine. We can't have 4/5 the infield bat below .250. Sunseri has a lot of promise and talent to do a lot for us.
There are some big bats coming in next season, it'll be interesting if we can work them in and develop them. Tidwell seems to have really worked hard and cleaned some stuff up this year and is killing it this year, 17 homeruns and like 9 or 10 doubles for St. Amant. I think Georgia Clark will add a lot to this offense, quick hands and just a powerful hitter.
I am a beth defender/pumper but I can't deny that there are some significant issues that need to be immediately addressed, no ifs or buts. I can't defend some of the performances at the plate. I hope when the season ends we make a decision that will really benefit the program moving forward. She has a foundation on the mound that will always keep LSU in games but if the offenses isn't addressed and we trot out the same stuff with another year of the same, LSU will reap the consequences, can't blame anyone else besides the head coach if that does happen.
Beth is a smart person, I hope she will make the correct decisions after this season plays out
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:20 pm to LSUAshlyn
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You didn't really just say that on an LSU softball thread did you? What you just stated is a pure impossibility to happen in this program. We have seen some of the worst play in SEC history at some of our positions and have never seen a change. Yes, read that again, worst in the history of the SEC and they are penciled in every single game for years at a time.
I posted some hard stats on a thread last year showing just how bad we have been yet to this day some of those same players have started every game and we have regressed even more at one position (and I thought that was impossible).
Our current pitching gives us the ability to hide incredible flaws. This could very well be the last year of AA level pitching for a while.
When was the last time you had an original thought? You post the same thing over and over and over. And I'm not even saying I disagree. But we heard you the other 1000 times you said the same thing. We know where you stand.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:48 pm to Tigerbait357
Who knows? we might get some incoming and outgoing transfers. It's college softball, and it is common.
I think Bourg probably has some assurance that she is going to play next year.
None of these girls are hopeless. All of them can improve, I just think decisions have been made already as far as a lineup for next season goes...maybe all the coaches have that in their mind.
Success is hard to predict, though.
Willingness to make changes is, I believe, the mark of a good coach. Tennessee has a coach that would not hesitate to pull someone out and put a new player in if the starter isnt working out.
Nick Saban pulling his starting quarterback out in the championship game and putting the underclassman in was what won the game for them, or at least it contributed a great deal to their victory.
I understand loyalty a coach has to his/her players, but it has to cover the entire team, not a select few. I just wonder if Beth feels she has betrayed someone if she pulls them out and puts a new player in, if not, then I am not sure what it is, other than loyalty, that keeps a struggling player in the lineup game after game.
In all the years I have watched LSU softball, there was one year when they had the team to win it all, and that was the year Bell tripped over her shoestrings. That was the best team LSU had, as far back as I can remember.
When you see a team return to the WCWS year after year, coaching has to do something with it, and to say that they didn't win because of coaching would be wrong in every instance. The one year they could have won, they had a really bad elimination game, the players did. Bad coaching was never the reason LSU didnt win it all in Oklahoma.
I think Bourg probably has some assurance that she is going to play next year.
None of these girls are hopeless. All of them can improve, I just think decisions have been made already as far as a lineup for next season goes...maybe all the coaches have that in their mind.
Success is hard to predict, though.
Willingness to make changes is, I believe, the mark of a good coach. Tennessee has a coach that would not hesitate to pull someone out and put a new player in if the starter isnt working out.
Nick Saban pulling his starting quarterback out in the championship game and putting the underclassman in was what won the game for them, or at least it contributed a great deal to their victory.
I understand loyalty a coach has to his/her players, but it has to cover the entire team, not a select few. I just wonder if Beth feels she has betrayed someone if she pulls them out and puts a new player in, if not, then I am not sure what it is, other than loyalty, that keeps a struggling player in the lineup game after game.
In all the years I have watched LSU softball, there was one year when they had the team to win it all, and that was the year Bell tripped over her shoestrings. That was the best team LSU had, as far back as I can remember.
When you see a team return to the WCWS year after year, coaching has to do something with it, and to say that they didn't win because of coaching would be wrong in every instance. The one year they could have won, they had a really bad elimination game, the players did. Bad coaching was never the reason LSU didnt win it all in Oklahoma.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:47 pm to Bhs1983
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In all the years I have watched LSU softball, there was one year when they had the team to win it all, and that was the year Bell tripped over her shoestrings. That was the best team LSU had, as far back as I can remember.
The 2015 team was absolutely sick. Constance Quinn received a lot of heat but she was pretty damn clutch at times too and hit really well for us at times.
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When you see a team return to the WCWS year after year, coaching has to do something with it, and to say that they didn't win because of coaching would be wrong in every instance. The one year they could have won, they had a really bad elimination game, the players did. Bad coaching was never the reason LSU didnt win it all in Oklahoma.
I'm with you, you can't be that poorly coached to advance to 4 world series in 6 years. Talent isn't always the reason. There are a lot of teams who have the talent in the world but continuously choke at the end of the season (Arizona and Tennessee are examples). We've been very fortunate to have phenomenal pitchers and a coach who can develop them and get the most out of them. Its been a critical reason for LSU's success.
we have been one of the more successful programs in the country the last few years. With that said, it shouldn't mean we should be opposed to changes. The best coaches in every sport adapt and make the necessary changes to keep the program at the highest level. LSU really needs some changes for the better. Obviously that will be on Torina, if she decides to make these adjustments LSU has a briht future ahead, if we continue the same old without any possible changes it will bite us.
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Nick Saban pulling his starting quarterback out in the championship game and putting the underclassman in was what won the game for them, or at least it contributed a great deal to their victory.
Not only that, he saw college football has drastically changed from how it was since his career started and had a complete overhaul in offensive philosophy, went and adapted to a spread type concepts.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:08 pm to Tigerbait357
He uses spread concepts at times. Sometimes he doesn’t. He doesn’t run a full time spread option or power spread like others.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 7:51 am to Bhs1983
Currently 9th in the SEC. 
Both Torina and Mainieri need legitimate hitting coaches!
Both Torina and Mainieri need legitimate hitting coaches!
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