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Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:35 am to WalkingTurtles
You want to see real college athletics then follow IVY LEAGUE sports. My daughter played D1 volleyball at Columbia. There was real team spirit and competition. No scholarships and every athlete in every sport graduated in 4 years. Ivy League is D1 in every sport except football. They play for the love of the game. Athletics is considered a way or a ticket to get a great education.
This should be the model for all college athletics. The direction college sports is heading right now we might as well go to a draft system for high school players and pay them.
This should be the model for all college athletics. The direction college sports is heading right now we might as well go to a draft system for high school players and pay them.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:38 am to JermStone
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This will affect the better players and the better programs more and even out the playing field a little bit I.e. A senior led team
Agreed. It will absolutely help programs like Stanford, Vandy, etc.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:50 am to Camp Randall
Surprised no one mentioned the fact that more kids are graduating high school early and enrolling in college in January. It's very possible those early entries into the draft actually graduate as well.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:51 am to Slickback
I see the point from both sides. The money issue is what it is. Pay me now! Can't argue that significant point at all - especially w opportunity to be millionaire ASAP. If it's all about the money then take the money and run!
However, being a senior citizen (recently turned 55) I know these kids are missing out BIG time on 1 more year of college that they simply can't get back. You know the tune by Bruce Springsteen in "Glory Days." Here's what I see on the other side of the fence as far as top 5. Feel welcome to add your thoughts:
1. College education - maybe not something many want to consider but hey it's there for them.
2. Being star athlete senior season w all the accolades and chance to get better at their game.
3. Opportunity to mature and be more pro-ready at the next level plus possibly higher draft pick and more $$$,$$$.
4. Relaxed enjoyment of senior season. Maybe possible future induction into hall-of-fame, etc.
5. Being "top dog" for final year in locker room and on field at your respective school - priceless! R E S P E C T from EVERYONE.
NOTE: There's also the Lloyd's of London policy these kids can take out in case of injury for potential loss of earning should they get hurt. Just saying...... Maybe one of these kids will read this and at least think about it. This is a free public service announcement for anyone who might be "on the fence" with their decision....
And NO - I do NOT take myself very seriously. It's only life and you can have all the money in the World but the memories is what people remember! Just saying....
Geaux Tigers!
However, being a senior citizen (recently turned 55) I know these kids are missing out BIG time on 1 more year of college that they simply can't get back. You know the tune by Bruce Springsteen in "Glory Days." Here's what I see on the other side of the fence as far as top 5. Feel welcome to add your thoughts:
1. College education - maybe not something many want to consider but hey it's there for them.
2. Being star athlete senior season w all the accolades and chance to get better at their game.
3. Opportunity to mature and be more pro-ready at the next level plus possibly higher draft pick and more $$$,$$$.
4. Relaxed enjoyment of senior season. Maybe possible future induction into hall-of-fame, etc.
5. Being "top dog" for final year in locker room and on field at your respective school - priceless! R E S P E C T from EVERYONE.
NOTE: There's also the Lloyd's of London policy these kids can take out in case of injury for potential loss of earning should they get hurt. Just saying...... Maybe one of these kids will read this and at least think about it. This is a free public service announcement for anyone who might be "on the fence" with their decision....
And NO - I do NOT take myself very seriously. It's only life and you can have all the money in the World but the memories is what people remember! Just saying....
Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:54 am to DrD
Very selfish statement. You go to college to better your chances at future employment. I'd be willing to bet that 95% of other college students would leave after 3 years if given a lucrative opportunity at employment. These kids have done that. With the rookie contracts the way they are in the nfl it behooves good players to get to that second contract as early as possible as opposed to playing for free... Especially skill position players. They can get those last 25-30 credit hours whenever if they really want a degree.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 8:56 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:55 am to timm6971463
I don't have a problem with them trying to earn more money when they can at all.
What's confusing to me is why we're losing them at a higher rate than other schools. That's really indisputable.
Sure, maybe it means the coaching staff is recruiting more NFL talent. But then it's kinda damning that we've lost 6 games the past 2 years if true.
What's confusing to me is why we're losing them at a higher rate than other schools. That's really indisputable.
Sure, maybe it means the coaching staff is recruiting more NFL talent. But then it's kinda damning that we've lost 6 games the past 2 years if true.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:57 am to DrD
quote:You make it sound like the players can't return to the university. Many players use the offseason to finish getting their degree.
1. College education - maybe not something many want to consider but hey it's there for them.
quote:This is something fans like to make a huge deal about.
2. Being star athlete senior season w all the accolades and chance to get better at their game.
quote:You realize that many pro scouts look at guys sticking around for a 4th or 5th year as a negative. Ex.Aaron Murray's UGA career
3. Opportunity to mature and be more pro-ready at the next level plus possibly higher draft pick and more $$$,$$$.
quote:You have more younger guys taking the leadership role in the locker room. Example. Jameis Winston at FSU
5. Being "top dog" for final year in locker room and on field at your respective school - priceless! R E S P E C T from EVERYONE.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:58 am to Moustache
quote:Anyone else think it has something to do with the head man in charge? Maybe they don't want to deal with him for another season.
What's confusing to me is why we're losing them at a higher rate than other schools. That's really indisputable.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:05 am to Moustache
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Sure, maybe it means the coaching staff is recruiting more NFL talent. But then it's kinda damning that we've lost 6 games the past 2 years if true.
This is what gets me. Good enough to become a NFL factory but what to show for it? (Speaking of the last 2 seasons btw)
I do see both sides, too.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:15 am to JBeam
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2. Being star athlete senior season w all the accolades and chance to get better at their game. This is something fans like to make a huge deal about.
Yep. Limited practices, workout time, etc.
Id think it's fairly obvious that guys will improve a good bit more when football/training is their full time job.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:20 am to JBeam
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Anyone else think it has something to do with the head man in charge? Maybe they don't want to deal with him for another season.
If that was the case, wouldn't former players kind of bash him. At least one would've run their mouth by now. Most players have nothing but good things to say about Les.
I think 1/9/12 has a lot to do with it. Saban making their asses quit.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:22 am to St Augustine
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d think it's fairly obvious that guys will improve a good bit more when football/training is their full time job.
The potential is definitely there, but some of these guys get worse in their training after college because they lack the ability to hold themselves accountable. IN other words, with no structured environment and nobody there to MAKE them work out, they don't get better. Depends on the person.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:23 am to JBeam
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If you are able to perform at the next level you should move on sooner rather than later.
Not sure why people are downvoting you. Anyone who says they wouldn't do the same thing when put in these players' shoes is a lying son of a bitch.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:23 am to Moustache
quote:a number of players bashed him after we lost to UF last year...
If that was the case, wouldn't former players kind of bash him. At least one would've run their mouth by now. Most players have nothing but good things to say about Les.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:27 am to DrD
It is actually dumb to pass up the money and opportunity to play in the NFL. Those players who are able to go on to the NFL can always finish their degrees during the off season or when their NFL career ends.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:33 am to JBeam
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a number of players bashed him after we lost to UF last year...
I don't think the "blame" lies on Les, so to speak. I just think we do a good job of informing our guys of their options. We also have a shite load of talented players. We just happen to be in a 2-year phase in which all of our juniors are bouncing when they're ready or know they can make a 53-man. I don't think is something that will plague us for years to come. If anything, what has happened to us these 2 years will begin to happen to everyone and people will eventually stop bitching about it and accept it as the norm. It sucks, but that's the way of the world in the new NFL CBA.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:46 am to JBeam
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a number of players bashed him after we lost to UF last year...
It may be. People like to say Saban is a prick, but honestly, his former players love him. Hell, even former LSU tigers were supporting him over LSU. (Skyler Green for example) Plus, Saban's players tend to return for their senior years (Mosley/Steen is a huge example of this) and he isn't losing fricking random players like a Guard or center going pro.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:54 am to lsu2006
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I don't think the "blame" lies on Les, so to speak. I just think we do a good job of informing our guys of their options. We also have a shite load of talented players. We just happen to be in a 2-year phase in which all of our juniors are bouncing when they're ready or know they can make a 53-man. I don't think is something that will plague us for years to come. If anything, what has happened to us these 2 years will begin to happen to everyone and people will eventually stop bitching about it and accept it as the norm. It sucks, but that's the way of the world in the new NFL CBA.
So you're saying for some strange reason LSU players are the only ones who know their options? Seems legit.
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We also have a shite load of talented players
then we needs some new assistant coaches. Not much to show for it with a peach bowl loss and ugly outback bowl win.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:05 am to Moustache
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So you're saying for some strange reason LSU players are the only ones who know their options? Seems legit.
Do you have all the answers, genius? Pretty sure you don't. It's all speculation on here - every bit. You can say whatever you want that the players hate Les or whatever, but that just doesn't make a shred of sense. We've just had a bad stroke of luck the last two years with our juniors is my best guess. It's not like this has happened the last 9 years. More and more schools will start having this perceived problem.
Or should I just say the #decline is real? Will that please you?
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