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re: Coaches "Blown Out" in National Championship

Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:54 pm to
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:54 pm to
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Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:57 pm to
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I'm not really sure what more he could have done at that point with what he was working with.


Well, running Spencer Ware up the middle on 3rd and 8 and running Copeland on 3rd and 4 (who had one carry for 0 yards on the year) on separate drives didn't help. It was just filled with bad calls.

That awesome Florida team with Spurrier getting demolished by Nebraska was the biggest shock ever. Even the greats get their azz whipped sometimes...which I think was the point of this thread.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:57 pm to
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a lot of peeps on here said they were not the same fans that they were before LSU lost to Bama in the National Championship.


Present.

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I just don't see how that is possible.


Oh believe me. It is.

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Did Miles have a poor gameplan and get blown out in the championship?


Yeah. And the game played worse than the score. Much worse.

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Yes, but so has:


Yeah...don't care.
Posted by lsufishnhunt
Member since Jun 2008
1044 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:00 pm to
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he problem wasn't Jefferson. The problem was the offensive line. They couldn’t move the Bama D-line and they couldn’t hold them back either. There was no run game, and there was no time to pass.

If anything, Jefferson in the pocket slowed down the Bama rush because Bama used a mush rush to contain Jefferson and prevent him from running. It’s the same idea LSU used against Manziel to keep him from breaking off long runs. Slow the rush and contain the QB. Bama would not have used a mush rush against Lee because Lee is no threat to run.

So if Miles put in Lee, there’s still no run game, and now there is even less time to pass. If there is one thing Bama feasts on, it’s immobile pocket passers. Lee’s numbers against Bama confirm this fact. His QB Rating against Bama could fit in a shoe box. And people talk about the tragedy of throwing Lee into the fire during his redshirt freshman year.

During 2011, "efficient" is the single word that defined Lee. You'll be hard pressed to find a post about Lee without the word "efficient" just a few words away. The thing about being defined as “efficient” is that it means that you aren’t a prolific passer; you don’t throw it a lot. In fact, it typically means that the offense is run-oriented and passes infrequently. Prior to the Bama game, Lee averaged less than 20 passes per game. Lee had only one game in 2011 in which he threw for more than 200 yards: 213 yards against Mississippi State. Lee wasn’t a prolific passer. He was efficient.

Efficient works when your team can run the ball effectively. Efficient means that the defense is focused on stopping the run. Efficient means that the defense is not expecting a pass. Efficient means that you have time to throw because the defense is not focuses on stopping the pass. Efficient does not work when you aren’t running well. Efficient does not work when your line can’t block. Bama’s D was suffocating that night. Bama would have killed Lee.

LSU should not have been playing Bama. LSU beat Bama at their house in the Game of the Century. You play the hand you’re dealt, but it was a raw deal.

Bama was playing for redemption. Bama had lost with their prior offensive strategy, so they were forced to abandon it. Saban took the ball out of Richardson’s hands and made McCarron win the game. Bama threw on nearly every first down. It was a risky strategy, but what did Bama have to lose. They had already lost to LSU trying to run the ball. McCarron had a terrific night; thus, the strategy worked.

Even though Bama had flipped its offensive strategy, it does not necessarily mean that LSU should have. Hindsight is always 20/20, and we know now that LSU’s plan did not work. However, LSU trailed Georgia 10-0 and at the half in the SECCG. The offense was atrocious the first half but came around in the second half, and LSU blew out Georgia. With a few dozen plays left, it was not unreasonable for Miles to go with the strategy that worked so well in the SECCG. It was at least as reasonable as trying a QB that was the antithesis of the ideal QB to use against Bama.



I agree with everything here. You can even add in the Arkansas game while talking about the SECCG. LSU needed some big defensive/ST plays to get back into it... and then the offense cruised to a huge blowout.

The big play just never came in the NC game.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:01 pm to
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For the most part, people just take football less serious. I'd say I am in that boat, though the difference isn't very significant I'd say I have changed my outlook on football after that game. It isn't necessarily bad.



Also this. I still love Miles and am excited about the season. But I spent a couple of days drunk after that game. I sat out most of the 2012 season and came back to 2013 with a much more reasonable outlook. Boys playing a game for the home team. Nothing more. Nothing less. Doesn't affect my life.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:01 pm to
Wonder how much longer it'll be til we can get some redemption?
Posted by Bloodworth
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
4237 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:09 pm to
The only reason the point differential was only 21 points is because our defense was GOAT that year. Easily played well enough to win the game but got 0% help from Offense. Only shame that day was Offense and Les.

Once a fan always a fan as for as Im concerned.

Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10485 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:11 pm to
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because our defense was 2nd GOAT that year


FIFY. That Bama defense was even better than ours
Posted by PrideofTheSEC
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
5242 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:11 pm to
For me it has a lot more to do with losing to Bama and nick Saban than losing by 21. It also has a lot to do with a superior QB sitting on the bench the whole game, he needed to play you don't just ride out Jefferson in a game like that.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15345 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:12 pm to
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Brian Kelly
Jim Tressel
Bob Stoops
Frank Beamer
Bobby Bowden
Steve Spurrier


And what do all those coaches have in common? They'll end up in the Hall of Fame (maybe not Tressel :lol).

Posted by Bloodworth
North Ga
Member since Oct 2007
4237 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:16 pm to
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That Bama defense was even better than ours


I respectfully disagree. LSU D that year was better in my opinion top to bottom.
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41405 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:18 pm to
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It was kind of crazy how many people in that thread said they were different fans after 21-0.


It's called being a fricking pussy. LOL @ football affecting your life THAT bad.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16111 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:25 pm to
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I really don't think that we had a terrible gameplan. We just thought that we would be able to get some kind of push up front.


people who think it was the game plan really just don't know football. Bama just physically beat our asses in the trenches on both sides of the ball. The recruiting differential really showed up in that game. We're starting to make up some ground in recruiting recently but still have a ways to go.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16111 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:31 pm to
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It also has a lot to do with a superior QB sitting on the bench the whole game, he needed to play you don't just ride out Jefferson in a game like that.


But he had zero college playing time up until that game and with his lack of mobility he would have got killed. He still needed another year to learn the system and if you remember, even his junior year was nothing spectacular.
Posted by TKLSUMD
Young Harris Georgia
Member since Oct 2011
1873 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:40 pm to
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re: Coaches "Blown Out" in National Championship (Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:57 pm to Mr. Wayne) quote: Same guys probably still cry about being dumped by their HS girlfriend. Bitch didn't know what she had.....


Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18892 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:45 pm to
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Wonder how much longer it'll be til we can get some redemption?


I just don't know that we could ever truly get redemption for that game. With the system in place now it is highly unlikely to be a season ruining loss for them. Perhaps a nail in the coffin, but I just can't think of anything on that level.

Even an arse beating in their house would be very difficult to really make up for anything. The best scenario would be to sling together a long streak of wins over them.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18892 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:47 pm to
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FIFY. That Bama defense was even better than ours


The stats say you are wrong. LSU and Bama did not really have any significantly different defensive numbers. The real difference is that LSU played MUCH better offenses that year and still kept up with their numbers.
Posted by drdrfaulkner
Butler PA
Member since Apr 2007
757 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:54 pm to
My view: It wasn't Les Miles (or any other coach listed, for that matter) that got "blown out". The REAL LSU Team we saw for the previous 13 games never stepped on the field. It seems like the players were all awaiting a "spark" that never seemed to happen--like in other games when the Honey Badger or someone made a big play that opened the floodgates. Yes, I believe that not playing JL was a questionable decision, but the real issues were the cocky and taunting demeanor(s) before the game and the lack of planning of the offensive coordinator to have a different game plan from the previous one(s)--thus thwarting any predictability the Tigers exhibited (and they did it well) during that game. At any rate, I am just as much of an LSU fan now as then. The past is the past--we need not live in it any more.
Posted by timm6971463
oakdale la
Member since Mar 2008
4387 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:00 pm to
I hate this troll thread! at the time I didn't understand what Coach miles was trying to do,' but I have since figured it out coach was nervous about throwing the ball so he was trying to get every body in the box and up close and was depending on his offensive line to get his amazing bqcks ln to the secadary level for big gains or for tds that sadly never happend! He is not the only coach with a failed plan !
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18892 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:03 pm to
Why is this a troll thread?
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