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re: Coach O Statement Koy Moore
Posted on 11/9/20 at 7:51 am to GoneFishing21
Posted on 11/9/20 at 7:51 am to GoneFishing21
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Interesting. So you really believe that cops are going up and shooting random people just because they may be a suspect in a crime? Do you have any evidence of this?
I believe If you show up guns drawn you’re a lot more likely to end up shooting someone.
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There’s a difference in ensuring the safety of yourselves and the public and flat out murdering someone. Police can determine if the suspect is responsible for whatever crime it is after it is safe for them to do so. It’s not a hard concept.
There is also a difference in confronting a suspect and drawing on a random citizen who has the right not to be stopped have the police frisk him with a gun in his face.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 7:56 am
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 7:51 am to lsufanva
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You never know under what circumstances the cops were called to an area or why they're coming guns drawn until , comply, answer their questions and then ask your own. I've had them toss me around and restrain me until they are satisfied I'm no longer a threat and then had them explain why they approached the way they did. The key is not to be an a-hole to them when they have the upper hand. If you treat them like humans the likelihood is that once they're satisfied they're safe they'll treat you like one. Until then you are a suspected criminal in their minds. That's the job.
How did we get brainwashed into believing that being randomly and violently apprehended is ok and completely normal. Are all expected to just give up all rights when approached by police. I’ve definitely not been in a situation like this, but I’d be confused beyond belief. And what if an individual was concealed carrying during this? Would they be able to calmly explain that they are allowed to have the gun without escalating the matter?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 7:53 am to LSU713
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Why are you assuming racism was not involved? All he’s saying is he needs to get more info.
Then say that without bringing up racial injustice.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 7:58 am to SammyTiger
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I believe If you show up guns drawn you’re a lot more likely to end up shooting someone.
If you don’t try to attack the officers and don’t draw a weapon on them then your chances of surviving that encounter will increase dramatically.
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There is also a difference in confronting a suspect and drawing on a random citizen who has the right not to be stopped have the police stop and frisk him
You have protections against unreasonable searches and seizures. Police can stop you for reasonable suspicion of a crime. They can frisk you if they believe that you have been involved in a crime and possibly have a weapon. They aren’t required to be psychics. There would be no need for investigations if that were the case. They can’t look at someone and tell whether or not that person committed a crime. Neither can you. You may know you’ve done nothing. They don’t know that and aren’t required to.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 7:58 am to viv1d
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:04 am to TechTiger
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How did we get brainwashed into believing that being randomly and violently apprehended is ok and completely normal.
Where did this happen?
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Are all expected to just give up all rights when approached by police.
You have a right against unreasonable searches. Police have the right to detain you and investigate whether you were involved in whatever crime has been reported. Depending on the crime and information the police have, it is reasonable for an innocent person to be detained and be approached at gunpoint. Guess why? Because the cops don’t know the person is innocent until they ensure the safety of the situation and can confirm whether that person was involved or not. They aren’t psychics and can’t predict the future.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:05 am to semjase
So what.. any significant public document is drafted and reviewed by many. What is your point.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:13 am to SammyTiger
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There is also a difference in confronting a suspect and drawing on a random citizen who has the right not to be stopped have the police frisk him with a gun in his fac
You could be matching the description of a suspect who just committed a violent crime and the police approach you as if you are the suspect?
Or driving a car matching the description, lets say dispatch tells the officer suspect in the shooting was a Asian male driving a tan 4 door car. He is considered armed and dangerous.
A lot of the times the officers have vague descriptions just like this
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 8:16 am
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:16 am to GoneFishing21
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If you don’t try to attack the officers and don’t draw a weapon on them then your chances of surviving that encounter will increase dramatically.
Americans have rights that go beyond just surviving.
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You have protections against unreasonable searches and seizures. Police can stop you for reasonable suspicion of a crime. They can frisk you if they believe that you have been involved in a crime and possibly have a weapon. They aren’t required to be psychics. There would be no need for investigations if that were the case. They can’t look at someone and tell whether or not that person committed a crime. Neither can you. You may know you’ve done nothing. They don’t know that and aren’t required to.
“Reasonable” Is the soft term. You have to forgive people who thing being stopped because they match a half arse description is unreasonable.
That’s the point.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:25 am to SammyTiger
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“Reasonable” Is the soft term. You have to forgive people who thing being stopped because they match a half arse description is unreasonable.
A lot of times that is all we have at the time of the incident.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:26 am to SammyTiger
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Americans have rights that go beyond just surviving.
Cops have rights to protect themselves against a potentially dangerous suspect.
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“Reasonable” Is the soft term. You have to forgive people who thing being stopped because they match a half arse description is unreasonable.
You’re forgiven. You can be as mad as you want to. Still doesn’t mean the cops did anything wrong to you.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:51 am to GoneFishing21
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Where did I insulate that he did anything wrong? And there’s no charge for running your mouth. That’s called freedom of speech. Why would he be “booked and charged” for that.
Everything you have said indicated Moore had to have done something wrong. You never once considered what Moore stated might be true. You automatically assumed he is lying.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:01 am to justustm2
Full transparent investigation is necessary for accountability.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:08 am to viv1d
No matter what CEO says it’s going to trigger somebody. He can do nothing that will satisfy everyone. This country has turned into a bunch of fricking pussies.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:11 am to justustm2
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Everything you have said indicated Moore had to have done something wrong. You never once considered what Moore stated might be true. You automatically assumed he is lying.
I was responding to the assumption that the cops were wrong. No, no I didn’t indicate he did anything wrong. I gave possible scenarios for why the cops may have detained him initially. I was showing alternate possibilities. Where did I say he was lying?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:15 am to justustm2
Right now all we have is Moore's statement. He could be a victim of racism, police being wrong, he could have matched the description, or he could have made the situation worse.
None of us know what really transpired yet.
None of us know what really transpired yet.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:19 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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You are very ignorant on how police do their work,
And a lot of police are ignorant on how to do their work also.
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what training they have and how stressful and dangerous the job actually is.
All training are not created equal. I know of some police officers that cannot write a simple report. Can't form a proper sentence. And is in the department merely because of a relative in high places.
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I can tell you I have pulled guns on a person who looked exactly like a murder suspect. After we figured out we had the wrong person we explained to him why we had acted the way we did. He completely understood
Just because one person understood, doesn't mean everyone should feel the same way as the guy you pulled your weapon out. Every situation and individual is different and reacts differently, just like different officers react to different situations differently. Would you do the same thing to George Floyd as the officer did, or would you have done things differently as an officer on the scene?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:24 am to BillF
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Stop! Biden is president and Kamala is vice president. Police brutality and Covid are over! Black people will stop slaughtering each other. We're all safe!!
WOW! Just curious? How many black mass murderers are you aware of? Are white people slaughtering each other as well? The difference between Biden and Harris is they recognize there are bad cops and that Covid is a threat that must be dealt with and can’t be wished or ignored away. They know the wearing of masks is scientifically proven effective against the spread of Covid. They are willing to address both and at least attempt to stop both.
Of the 44 million black people in the US, how many do you believe are murderers? Listening to people of your ilk, you’d think 75%.The overwhelming majority of white murders are caused by other whites. Yet we never hear about white on white crime.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:24 am to TeamLSU
How long before BRPD says anything?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:27 am to TeamLSU
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All training are not created equal. I know of some police officers that cannot write a simple report. Can't form a proper sentence. And is in the department merely because of a relative in high places.
All training IS not created equal. And ARE in the department merely because of a relative in high places. You started a sentence with “And”. What was your point about report writing?
In reference to George Floyd, you are comparing apples to oranges. Approaching a possible armed suspect with firearms drawn is a totally different type of scenario.
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