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re: Coach O Statement Koy Moore

Posted on 11/9/20 at 7:50 pm to
Posted by Bandits58
Mississippi
Member since Sep 2015
3522 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 7:50 pm to
Statistics idiot!!
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3649 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:02 pm to
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What a shitty, dystopian, police state that sounds like. No thanks.


So your solution is fight back against the officers? That sounds like the safe bet. How has that turned out for other people?
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:28 pm to
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Except that no statistics were presented that show black people are treated differently in the criminal justice system. All that was presented were a few things that have zero context and have been debunked.


My post from the Washington Post included a vast number of statistics and links that makes clear African Americans are treated differently in the justice system. It’s not some secret many of you claim be unaware of. How could you not be aware of it?

Too many couldn’t give a damn what happens to African Americans as long as it doesn’t effect them. Some support the maltreatment of African Americans who are overwhelmingly law abiding citizens. However there is an agenda to criminalize African Americans to justify how they are treated by the police.
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3649 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:33 pm to
I explained already that those statistics in of themselves mean nothing without context. There are other articles and books written on the myth of it. If you cared to know another narrative then you wouldn’t be so unaware.

The vast majority of all skin colors are law abiding. People aren’t being arrested for being black. They are being arrested for committing crimes. That doesn’t equal maltreatment.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:49 pm to
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I explained already that those statistics in of themselves mean nothing without context. There are other articles and books written on the myth of it. If you cared to know another narrative then you wouldn’t be so unaware.

The vast majority of all skin colors are law abiding. People aren’t being arrested for being black. They are being arrested for committing crim


Had you taken the time to read the article you would know it included context. The Washington Post and most other credible national newspapers provide context and support their reporting with facts, statistics and research. But one has to read the article to find the facts, statistics and research.

I am without a doubt sure there are those who seek to dispel the notion that racism even exists or that it negatively impacts African Americans. Provide a link to those articles claiming racism against African Americans is a “myth”. That should be an interesting read.
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3649 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:04 pm to
LINK

There’s one for ya. If you want to broaden your horizons then you can search for more on your own.

By the way, I read your linked article. You are not understanding what I mean by context. The statistics provided do not give context. Saying that there’s more white people than blacks and white people use drugs also is not context. It does not mention anything about how those arrests occurred, the amount of drugs they had, their criminal history, if weapons were involved, or if the person already had time hanging over their head. Most everything was statistics provided by the ACLU without context.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 9:10 pm
Posted by TidesofWar
Member since Nov 2008
103 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:08 pm to
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Had you taken the time to read the article you would know it included context. The Washington Post and most other credible national newspapers provide context and support their reporting with facts, statistics and research. But one has to read the article to find the facts, statistics and research.

I am without a doubt sure there are those who seek to dispel the notion that racism even exists or that it negatively impacts African Americans. Provide a link to those articles claiming racism against African Americans is a “myth”. That should be an interesting read.

Can black people be racist?

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12610 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:55 pm to
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De-escalation may not always mean what you think it does. If police ensure their safety and the safety of the public by the use of firearms and a quick detention before a suspect can react, that is absolutely a form of de-escalation.

Ah, yes. Who can forget the “strike first, strike hard” section of the de-escalation training?

This is, literally, the exact opposite of what anybody is talking about when they reference de-escalation. If you want to argue that coming in fast “de-escalates” the situation by neutralizing the threat then OK, I guess. By that logic, shooting the perp de-escalates things even faster.
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3649 posts
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:00 pm to
De-escalation is not always talking someone into being more calm. Every situation would be different, no? I didn’t exactly describe it in the way you did, but yes it can make things safer for the suspect, officers, and public.
Posted by pointman
new orleans
Member since Dec 2010
2734 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 5:18 am to
So another words he believes the player and not the police. What we must combat is bullshite. We have sure seen enough of that along with hundreds of dead police officers.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62338 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 5:20 am to
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My post from the Washington Post included a vast number of statistics and links that makes clear African Americans are treated differently in the justice system. It’s not some secret many of you claim be unaware of. How could you not be aware of it?

Too many couldn’t give a damn what happens to African Americans as long as it doesn’t effect them. Some support the maltreatment of African Americans who are overwhelmingly law abiding citizens. However there is an agenda to criminalize African Americans to justify how they are treated by the police.


Now do violent crimes stats by race.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62338 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 5:30 am to
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I hope for the sake of the team that Moore actually is the victim in this case. I care very little about politics or social relations in this country. Best case scenario for this football program is Moore is telling the truth and the coaches and players have his back.



My god, you must be retarded.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37697 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 7:42 am to
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Can black people be racist?




No, never. They’re never guilty either.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 6:40 pm to
I will read your link and respond accordingly. I know what context means. Your intelligence is not above my comprehension level, I assure you.

The article compares similarly situated blacks and whites. The many links included in the article, that you obviously did not click, gave the context for each of the claims of disparate treatment. The fact blacks are 3+ times more likely to be stopped while driving in similar manner to white drivers and more likely to not have contraband than whites when searched is context. However if you don't believe racism exists, you are predisposed to not believe it when it is put right in front of you.

Every metric of life in America uncategorically shows that African Americans are basically second class citizens in America. From life expectancy, to sentencing, to arrests, to financial opportunity, to wealth, to income, to health care, to credit worthiness... Every metric! I will acknowledge that some of our ills are self inflicted, but to ignore the effect of racism on African Americans is to ignore the elephant in the room.
Posted by baccsc
Texas
Member since Dec 2011
107 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 7:09 pm to
Biden and Harris have not won yet....going to the courts..
just like the Gore/Bush election
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3649 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 7:25 pm to
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will read your link and respond accordingly. I know what context means. Your intelligence is not above my comprehension level, I assure you.


You apparently don’t know what context is.

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The fact blacks are 3+ times more likely to be stopped while driving in similar manner to white drivers and more likely to not have contraband than whites when searched is context


That is literally not even a measurable statistic. How can you even determine that officers are seeing white people commit traffic infractions and not pulling them over because they aren’t black? Think a little bit before you write something like that. What happens at night when officers can’t see the skin color of a person in a vehicle? What happens during the day with tinted windows or a car speeding by or running a stop sign so fast that the officer can’t tell if the driver is male, female, black, white, or whatever color?

There’s a difference in the fact that white people smoke weed also and black people being pulled over that have odor coming from their vehicle from either burnt or unsmoked marijuana. This happens to white people also by the way. Maybe there are other reasons why it happens more often to black people. Have you considered why that may be other than just saying “racism”?

Or if they are arrested for another crime and have drugs in there person when searched after the arrest. Saying white people smoke marijuana just as much as black people gives zero context into the circumstances that led to people coming into contact with police and being charged with drugs? Try to use a little common sense.

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Every metric of life in America uncategorically shows that African Americans are basically second class citizens in America. From life expectancy, to sentencing, to arrests, to financial opportunity, to wealth, to income, to health care, to credit worthiness... Every metric! I will acknowledge that some of our ills are self inflicted, but to ignore the effect of racism on African Americans is to ignore the elephant in the room.


I feel sorry for you that you think racism is what is holding you back from achieving anything in this free country. By the way I never said that racism doesn’t exist. I believe it does. I’ve experienced it. It doesn’t exist on the scale that is implied by some and the media. The vast majority of people in this country are just trying to get through life. They could not care less about your skin color.
This post was edited on 11/10/20 at 7:33 pm
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36801 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 7:49 pm to
How is Koy doing? Fine young athlete or not he's a youngster.This whole episode has to have been stressful.
Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
14790 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 7:50 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 1:05 pm
Posted by FulshearTexasTiger
Fulshear, TX
Member since Jan 2011
1763 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 7:54 pm to
I bet if you don’t act the arse, you won’t get profiled!!!!
Posted by Adsam
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
138 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 11:12 pm to
Horrible statement...he's hedging and not backing his player 100%...don't think for a minute that this team's opt outs and apathy are not because O didn't stand by his players when they marched for social social justice (unlike Saban who stood with HIS players)...and then met with President Trump when be came to Louisiana...watch also how this will affect recruiting...downvote all you want...just watch...
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