- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Coach Mainieri's comments after the game
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:33 pm to Holden Caulfield
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:33 pm to Holden Caulfield
quote:
I have no idea how proficient Raph is as a bunter but laying down a bunt and executing a successful hit and run are not equal undertakings.
Of course they aren't. But, it is good that you are considering the possibility that Rhymes doesn't successfully get the job done on the bunt (I heard someone say he didn't have a sac bunt all year).
Now, consider the odds of moving Katz to 2nd on a hit and run without a base hit given the 2-0 count. It's probably pretty high, don't you think?
Now, consider the chances of Rhymes getting a base hit and the upside of that with regard to winning the game. Remember that tying the game doesn't guarantee a win...we'd probably be close 50/50 in that situation. It would be stud closer vs. stud closer. Very few are taking that into account.
Then compare all of that to the possibilities that with Katz on 2nd, either Ibarra or TM gets a base hit to score the run.
In the end, you are going to end up with something that is VERY close to 50/50.
3
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
Thats means you will have the last xhance to win it or tie again in extra innings.
And this improves your chances of winning how exactly? You play to win. Period. Anyone that thinks it's ok to play to tie and extend the game rather than be aggressive and play to win, has never played sports.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:37 pm to dnm3305
quote:
You play to the situation. Please tell me why you play for the tie whether your home team or not. What advantage does that give you?
quote:
dnm3305
Having last bat has always been an advantage because you know what you need to win and other team gets no chance to catch up. Baseball axiom since beginning of baseball is play to win on the road and plat for the tie at home. Another one is don't make the third out at third base. Second base is considered being in scoring position.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:38 pm to moneyg
quote:
(I heard someone say he didn't have a sac bunt all year).
I think that's accurate.
quote:
Now, consider the odds of moving Katz to 2nd on a hit and run without a base hit given the 2-0 count. It's probably pretty high, don't you think?
No, I don't think its pretty high. In fact its probably pretty low. There's only an argument to be made is that we don't actually know how good Raph is at bunting the ball. But if CPM had confidence in him at 0-0 and 1-0, then 2-0 should not have deterred that confidence in and of itself.
I think CPM out thought himself when he should have played fundi baseball at that point. Its a moot point as we all know.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:39 pm to dnm3305
quote:
And this improves your chances of winning how exactly? You play to win. Period. Anyone that thinks it's ok to play to tie and extend the game rather than be aggressive and play to win, has never played sports.
quote:
dnm3305
Did you ever get past t ball?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:40 pm to dnm3305
quote:tell me again how Rhymes did not execute
blame should be placed on Rhymes not executing
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:41 pm to moneyg
quote:
Of course they aren't. But, it is good that you are considering the possibility that Rhymes doesn't successfully get the job done on the bunt (I heard someone say he didn't have a sac bunt all year).
Now, consider the odds of moving Katz to 2nd on a hit and run without a base hit given the 2-0 count. It's probably pretty high, don't you think?
Now, consider the chances of Rhymes getting a base hit and the upside of that with regard to winning the game. Remember that tying the game doesn't guarantee a win...we'd probably be close 50/50 in that situation. It would be stud closer vs. stud closer. Very few are taking that into account.
Then compare all of that to the possibilities that with Katz on 2nd, either Ibarra or TM gets a base hit to score the run.
In the end, you are going to end up with something that is VERY close to 50/50.
Thank. You.
Everyone is just saying "you see, if he would have bunted we would have one...."
Well there's a whole lot of factoring into that and thats comparing a situation where a runner on 2nd with 1 out vs a possible runners on 1st and 2nd with no out, which all of you rather have? Considering Rhymes' bunting skills (zero career bunts?) and taking into acct the count and the type of hitter Rhymes is, a hit and run is a great call.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:41 pm to Holden Caulfield
quote:
No, I don't think its pretty high.
Well, you are clearly just wrong.
Mainieri has consistently run in that situation to keep from the double play, and it has worked a very large majority of the time.
A ground ball anywhere but hard to 3rd, and maybe hard right to the pitcher is going to prevent the double play.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:41 pm to Holden Caulfield
hit and run baseball is as fundamental as bunting
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:41 pm to dnm3305
quote:
And this improves your chances of winning how exactly? You play to win. Period. Anyone that thinks it's ok to play to tie and extend the game rather than be aggressive and play to win, has never played sports.
If you can't tie the game you can't win the game. Remember we were in the bottom of the 9th.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:41 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
tell me again how Rhymes did not execute
He didnt do his fricking job. That's how he didnt execute.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:42 pm to RATeamWannabe
quote:
hit and run baseball is as fundamental as bunting
Oh lord no. There are so many more variables in an hit and run. Come on man.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:43 pm to moneyg
quote:
Well, you are clearly just wrong. Mainieri has consistently run in that situation to keep from the double play, and it has worked a very large majority of the time. A ground ball anywhere but hard to 3rd, and maybe hard right to the pitcher is going to prevent the double play.
quote:
moneyg
You are forgetting the line drive double play.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:43 pm to moneyg
I'm sure this has been brought up, but I'll go ahead and mention it anyway. If CPM was that uncomfortable with Raph bunting the ball, why not pinch hit Foster or scaimbra to get the bunt down? I have to think there is someone on the bench that he trusts can come in and get a bunt down. At that point in the game, getting Katz to second is the only thing that matters, and your best shot at accomplishing that goal is to put your best bunter available at the plate.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:44 pm to Holden Caulfield
quote:
If you can't tie the game you can't win the game. Remember we were in the bottom of the 9th.
Well technically you can but we're not going to get into that because there's already too many tangents going on, but there is zero evidence that supports it increases your chances of winning by playing for the team instead of playing for the win.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:45 pm to UpToPar
quote:
I'm sure this has been brought up, but I'll go ahead and mention it anyway. If CPM was that uncomfortable with Raph bunting the ball, why not pinch hit Foster or scaimbra to get the bunt down?
I've wondered that myself. I don't think he was that uncomfortable with him bunting though, as he had the bunt on initially.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:46 pm to RATeamWannabe
quote:
hit and run baseball is as fundamental as bunting
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:46 pm to Bernie Moore
quote:
You are forgetting the line drive double play.
I'm not forgetting about it. I've factored it into the %s and the hit and run will keep you out of the double play the large majority of the time.
The biggest risk is on the swing and a miss because Katz is gonna be thrown out 4 out of 5 times.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:47 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
tell me again how Rhymes did not execute
quote:
Billy Ray Valentine
Rymes did not hit the ball to the rt side. He swung at a low pitch outside the strike zone and rolled over on it instead of punching it to rt side of diamond.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:47 pm to UpToPar
quote:
At that point in the game, getting Katz to second is the only thing that matters, and your best shot at accomplishing that goal is to put your best bunter available at the plate.
Because getting him to second is better than getting runners on 1st and 3rd right. And as PurpleAndGold has said countless times, a hit and run is perfectly capable of accomplishing the same thing. One of the only things Rhymes couldnt do is what he did.
Page 20 of 27
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News