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re: CBS "experts" predictions for the season

Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:41 am to
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:41 am to
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The truth is that Harris was a true freshman last year and true freshmen usually blow.Jennings had one emergency start ever before last year. But because nobody has faith in Les, they just assume our qb situation HAS to stay lousy.


Agreed. It's also interesting that Bama, Auburn, A&M, AND Ole Miss are all breaking in new QB's yet that's glossed over with a hand wave. LSU at least returns its entire WR corps, its top RB, and 3 of 5 linemen. And given LSU's QB play last season, a new QB is a positive.

What I did find interesting was Hinnen's remark about close games. He used 6 points as a benchmark, but let's push it to 7 for a one-score game. LSU only LOST two games by more than 7 points. So, essentially, his argument is that LSU played 7 close games against good opponents and went 4-3 in those games... which is pretty much what you would expect. There is little evidence that LSU's record was better than it "should have" been based on scoring differentials. LSU had a near even scoring differential in Power 5 games and went .500 in said games (5-5).

That is a weak argument for statistical regression.
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:42 am to
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Quotations?




Oops
Posted by Howyouluhdat
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:43 am to
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People keep saying this but the truth is, the 2014 Alabama offense was the Amari Cooper show because of his experience & outstanding talent. Without Cooper, there's no way the Tide’s offensive production would have been where it was. It was all about the bubble screens & quick outs that then set up the deep ball to Cooper. That was Alabama's passing game a year ago.




So where do you think the other 1700 yds passing went to?? Sims had a helluva year whether you want to believe it or not. Damn some people can't give credit where credit is due just because Saban left your poor college football team that you root for. Get the frick over it. We have playmakers every year so I don't understand what your point is. More credit to Bama for letting Sims make "easy throws" for 3500 yds lol. Put some pants on, your vagina is looking me right in the face. Then again don't worry about it. I like it
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 11:48 am
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:55 am to
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How many years under Saban has Bama had bad QB play regardless of the QB?


A team can manage that when they can somehow keep experienced upperclassmen at the skill positions around inexperienced quarterbacks. You combine that with good to great offensive line play, a consistent ground game & strong defense, you then have a recipe for success. That's what the Tide have somehow managed to pull off during their run the past several years.

Last season, we lost entirely too much experience at the skill positions without any experience in the wings to replace those guys. Last season offensively was just one of those situations any program in America would have struggled fighting through especially those running a pro style system.

It's Bama's turn now to go through that type of adversity this year with their lack of experience at the skill positions. While Auburn is breaking out a new QB in Johnson, they aren't lacking in experience at the skill positions. That's going to help with their transition at QB.
Posted by chilge1
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:55 am to
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How many years under Saban has Bama had bad QB play regardless of the QB?... You can't compare LSU with those 2 teams. We have had bad QB play the past 5-6 years minus 2013.


You'll have to quantify what you mean by "bad QB play" in order for me to give you an answer... I mean, I wouldn't consider 2011 LSU to be bad QB play:

173/278 2135 yards 21 TDs 5 INTs; 83 car 276 yards 3 TD

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but what makes you think an outsider is going to think that when we haven't proven that?


Because this is what they do to make a living. They watch football games, and practices, follow recruiting, and coaching changes... they should be able to formulate an educated opinion.


Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:01 pm to
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More credit to Bama for letting Sims make "easy throws" for 3500 yds lol. Put some pants on, your vagina is looking me right in the face. Then again don't worry about it. I like it


First off, you are the one sounding like a bitch here. Stop menstrating in this thread. Secondly, you fail to realize the counter effect Cooper had in terms of allowing other receivers to be open due to the attention he garnered. It wasn't just a production factor with Cooper, it was also schematical factor because defenses had to account for him at all times with double or bracket coverages. Take Cooper out of the equation & Alabama offense looks totally different a year ago.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Salviati
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:04 pm to
At some point in your life, you will realize that receiving yards require at least two people: someone to throw the ball and someone to catch the ball. Great skill by one makes it much easier on the other one.

Cooper got separation which made it easier to make completions and, hence, receiving yards. Cooper also got YAC and, hence, additional receiving yards.

I predict that LSU will have a significant increase in receiving yards in 2015. A big reason for that increase will be improvement by the receivers.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 3:15 pm
Posted by jasonthetiger
Waveland, MS
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:18 pm to
I truly am not worried about the experts giving us much love. This team will be better this year and all these guys will see that as they prove it on the field.

The other teams are good but are given too much love maybe. Our guys will prove they are much better when they hit the field.

With the adding of Coach O, the defensive line will be much improved and I believe the QB play will be as well. Harris and Jennings have both had more reps and are a year older. With the weapons we have, if either of the QB's can just manage the game and make the throws we will be a very good team.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:21 pm to
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Other 1700? No, Cooper got 1700. That only leaves 1100.



Blake Sims threw for 3500 yds last season. Get your math right before you talk shite
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:21 pm to
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So where do you think the other 1700 yds passing went to??

An excellent point. They went to DeAndrew White (40-504) and Christion Jones (19-264), who also graudated this offseason. Bama's leading returning receiver is a tight end, OJ Howard (17-260). Their leading WR returning was 4th among receivers last year and had receiving numbers almost the same as TJ Yeldon (15-188 and 15-180).

So, Bama not only loses a transcendent talent who made well over half of the team's receptions and close to half of its receiving yards, but also loses its #2 and #3 receivers. Bama, on total, loses 217 catches and 2852 yards from last year (of 290-3890). That's almost right at three quarters of their receiving production. Plus the quarterback.

In Saban's time at Bama, they have never had personnel losses in the passing game equivalent to this. They essentially lost their entire passing offense last season save a really good tight end.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:22 pm to
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At some point in your life, you will realize that receiving yards require at least two people: someone to throw the ball and someone to catch the ball. Great skill by one makes it much easier on the other one.



You do realize you are insulting the LSU passing game right?
Posted by BigBrod81
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:32 pm to
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Baloo


NICE!!!!!

Seriously though, the Tide is facing the fact of having to replace the type of production in the passing game this year, that the LSU had to replace a season ago. It's something they have really done a good job of avoiding over the last few years but that won't be the case this season.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:38 pm to
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Blake Sims threw for 3500 yds last season. Get your math right before you talk shite


The truth remains that Cooper himself accounted for half of Alabama's receiving production a year ago. All you really are doing here is validating the point several posters are making in this thread even more.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:50 pm to
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You do realize you are insulting the LSU passing game right?


I don't see how you reach that conclusion.. 2013, we had an NFL QB throwing to two NFL WRs... crisp routes, great ball placement, and some spectacular catches. Life was easy for everybody.

We had none of those things in 2014. Receivers would run incorrect routes, break off their routes, get held up by press coverage, and drop passes... Jennings would make bad reads, make bad decisions, and miss open receivers.

Another year of Moffitt and another year to develop chemistry between quarterbacks and wide receivers, we should be looking good.
Posted by Larry
Collierville, TN
Member since Jul 2004
5483 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:03 pm to
I heard a guy on the radio today say that Kevin Steele does good things for the DL and LBs but relies heavily on a good secondary which LSU doesnt have. He was an invited guest on the show.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:04 pm to
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LSU fans hate LSU because they don't pick them to go undefeated every season, but the professionals out there don't give LSU much respect either. Well that's obviously because they don't know what they're talking about. Unbelievable


you do realize that Vegas has LSU right around #10 in odds to with the National Championship right? Of course, Vegas is much less professional than those expert sportswriters that don't even bother to do their homework. LOL
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:06 pm to
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The fans know this however nobody is going to rank a team high based on what may or may not happen. It's based on the previous year's play and what has been a problem for us more often than not.


LMAO

You do realize that both Alabama and Auburn are breaking in new QB's right? Good god we have some idiots on this board.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19674 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:13 pm to
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You do realize that both Alabama and Auburn are breaking in new QB's right?


True, but both Auburn and Alabama have a recent history of turning new QBs into productive QBs.

Blake Sims hadn't taken a meaningful snap at QB before last year, and was also under a brand new OC. But Kiffin got a lot of production from him and they made the playoffs.

Same for Nick Marshall in Gus' first year. Hadn't played a meaningful snap at the D-I level but Gus got a lot of production from him and they made the championship game.

By contrast, we had Jennings last year, who also didn't have much experience but was in his second year under Cam, and he played very poorly.

So the national pundits see all of that and that's what's influencing their view.

By the way, the opinions of the various talking-heads are irrelevant, so it's best to just ignore them.
Posted by Kirby4life
Frisco, Texas
Member since Sep 2011
293 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:15 pm to
Bottom line is, CBS "experts" SEC prediction reasoning lacks consistency to me. At least 5 SEC teams need a new QB or better QB play, period. Bama Auburn, and Georgia are higher ranked than LSU and held in higher regard by these "expert" guys and others yet all three schools have QB concerns and have to answer questions on defense in some spots. And the "experts" are using 2014 performance, coaching and other 2015 unknowns as reasoning which is incomplete if not flat out illogical as no team is exactly the same as the year before whether there is improvement from experience or regression due to attrition(graduation or early NFL entry or dismissal). So there is no true way of knowing what to expect and the "experts" appear to be doing a better job of making headlines than predicting SEC outcome. But they feel LSU has the biggest hill to climb in regards to QB play and, until proven otherwise, this is our "truth". The fact still remains that we need better offensive production from the passing game and that starts with QB play. The bias in favor of other SEC teams can be argued. But that argument doesn't make the main fact about our need to improve the passing game any less true. We must improve on offense before the narrative will change by so called "experts".
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:16 pm to
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7-6 season. QB and Dline issues ARE REAL! You don't win games with poor QB and Dline play


LMAO

So they went 8-4 with as bad of QB play that you could get, and with a non-existent pass rush and young DT's......yet this year, they are going to do worse because these guys have experience. LOL

The comical thing is that some of you are trolling, but some of you are actually dumb enough to realize how stupid this logic is. BH was a TF.....very highly regarded. He wasn't ready last year....doesn't mean he won't be this year. Jennings had ONE game of starting experience entering the year. Both can't help but be improved...which will only help an offense that has some serious playmakers on it. Some of you....I swear.
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