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Canada is flexible and effective; Orgeron's pro style will be as bad as Chizik's in 2012
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:07 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:07 am
Canada has shown he has the flexibility to call plays based on his personnel. His play calling is creative, and his shifts are designed get defenses out of their specific fits. We have had many explosive runs and passes because of this. We ran a TRIPLE OPTION on a 2-pt conversion the other night. That's amazing to me. Canada's offense this year is sort of like a pro-style wing-T, but it has been very effective. I don't see anything else like it, meaning it gives us the week-to-week advantage when other teams have to play us.
When Chizik changed his offense in 2012 to pro style after Malzahn left Auburn, their offense was atrocious and led them to an 0-8 SEC record. The point is, offense needs to be unpredictable. If Orgeron wants to only run a certain type of offense, it will be much easier to shut down. Arkansas' pro style offense sucked this year. Bama even got away with it.
Keep Matt Canada happy, and Orgeron needs to keep his grubby fingers out of it. Canada knows what he's doing. The only big critic out there is TJLSUDAD, and I'm glad he's not the coach.
When Chizik changed his offense in 2012 to pro style after Malzahn left Auburn, their offense was atrocious and led them to an 0-8 SEC record. The point is, offense needs to be unpredictable. If Orgeron wants to only run a certain type of offense, it will be much easier to shut down. Arkansas' pro style offense sucked this year. Bama even got away with it.
Keep Matt Canada happy, and Orgeron needs to keep his grubby fingers out of it. Canada knows what he's doing. The only big critic out there is TJLSUDAD, and I'm glad he's not the coach.
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Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:14 am to schwartzy
Pro-style offense without a QB that can really beat you is basically useless, so unless O gets some stud or develops the QBs on the roster really fast, it would be a real bad idea.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:16 am to schwartzy
I just hope Brennan or Narcisse is good
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:17 am to BayouBengals03
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I just hope Brennan or Narcisse is good
Their chances improve if we don't change up the offense every year.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:24 am to ProjectP2294
I am not sure still about Canada .. may believe in his gimmicky system too much.
Last game we had two backs in and had been running the ball well but when faced with 3rd and 1 (close to the goal line) .. he went gimmicky and we were stopped behind the line.
Last game we had two backs in and had been running the ball well but when faced with 3rd and 1 (close to the goal line) .. he went gimmicky and we were stopped behind the line.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:24 am to schwartzy
spread concepts are spread concepts and canada runs that. the pre snap motion to keep them honest and spread out and to determine man or zone is as important as pre snap shifts. the only dude i want runninga pro style here is a guy who is good at it and that is jimbo. unless we go get a NFL OC. i prefer spread concepts of some sort like spread option of kelley or power spreads like CUm and the gus bus. hell go take kendal briles from lane kiffin. pro style is exactly the style bama excels against. if you want that you need great Qb play.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:39 am to Fat Bastard
Like what Canada did this year.
Ogeron needs to realize that he is basically a serviceable game manager; he's the Danny Etling of head coaches. And if he understands this really well he can even be the Matt Mauck of head coaches.
As such, the most important people for the success of LSU football are:
1) Dave Aranda
2) Matt Canada
3) Whoever we have as head coach
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:43 am to schwartzy
So...as useless as last year when it broke SEC records?
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:44 am to schwartzy
We need a multiply offense not a spread or pro style
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:47 am to Brettesaurus Rex
It broke records against a bunch of terrible defenses.
The only good defenses we faced last year were Wisconsin, Auburn, Florida, and Alabama.
These are games in which we scored 14, 13, 10, and 0, and we also lost each game. Yea, that is exactly what we need.
The only good defenses we faced last year were Wisconsin, Auburn, Florida, and Alabama.
These are games in which we scored 14, 13, 10, and 0, and we also lost each game. Yea, that is exactly what we need.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:47 am to rbdallas
If the jet sweep works in that situation, then he's a genius. Not every play is a good play.
We scored 27+ points in 5/8 SEC games. That is not bad. Contras that in 2014 when LSU scored 13 or less in 4 SEC games (Auburn, Ole Miss, Alabama, and Arkansas).
We scored 27+ points in 5/8 SEC games. That is not bad. Contras that in 2014 when LSU scored 13 or less in 4 SEC games (Auburn, Ole Miss, Alabama, and Arkansas).
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:48 am to rbdallas
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Last game we had two backs in and had been running the ball well but when faced with 3rd and 1 (close to the goal line) .. he went gimmicky and we were stopped behind the line.
The problem with that play wasn't the call, it was the runner.
Williams was looking for the easiest path to a first down, and possibly more, so he kept going to the sideline.
Had he just made a cut and put his head down right after he was handed the ball, he would have gotten the 1 yard he needed. There was one guy in the hole, man up and get the first down.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:53 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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So...as useless as last year when it broke SEC records?
in a game or few games against crap defenses...not a record breaking offense on season like 2001 or 2003 or 2007 or 2013.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:54 am to schwartzy
Canada has a plan for every game. He is basic in the first quarter testing the tendencies of the defense. The defense is then trapped and Canada takes advantage.
Against alabama he was consistently attacking down field which is what has been missing against alabama. The opportunities were there but execution was lacking. Just needed 2 of those passes completed and that would have been a totally different game.
Hope the dude stays and develops Brennan/ Narcisse.
Against alabama he was consistently attacking down field which is what has been missing against alabama. The opportunities were there but execution was lacking. Just needed 2 of those passes completed and that would have been a totally different game.
Hope the dude stays and develops Brennan/ Narcisse.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:56 am to Zephyrius
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Against alabama he was consistently attacking down field which is what has been missing against alabama. The opportunities were there but execution was lacking. Just needed 2 of those passes completed and that would have been a totally different game.
and we softened their run d BY GOING HOrizontal then back to vertical like CUm and GUS have done to him for ages.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:57 am to schwartzy
O wants to look like he knows offense!
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:58 am to Fat Bastard
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in a game or few games against crap defenses...not a record breaking offense on season like 2001 or 2003 or 2007 or 2013
We also played against 5 teams this year that had either just fired or were about to fire their head coach. We lost to Troy and only put 10 points up against Ms State (worst loss in the history of the series) and Alabama. The one feather in the staff's hat this year is Auburn, but besides that we've beat up on bad teams.
See how easy it is to cherry pick facts?
Posted on 11/29/17 at 10:58 am to rbdallas
quote:you cherry pick one play in a game we scored 45? (missed 2 field goals and had a fumble recovery overturned so it easily could have been 50+)
Last game we had two backs in and had been running the ball well but when faced with 3rd and 1 (close to the goal line) .. he went gimmicky and we were stopped behind the line.
quote:over the last 6 games, lsu averaged 30+ points and only lost once on the road to the best team in the nation. but you're still not sure. checks out
I am not sure still about Canada .. may believe in his gimmicky system too much
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:02 am to schwartzy
Play calling > Formation
A pro set with a creative intermediate passing game is as effective as anything else.
A pro set with a creative intermediate passing game is as effective as anything else.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:03 am to Brettesaurus Rex
you need a great Qb to run pro style. bama excels against pro style. how many good pro style guys are there now versus spread concepts? you using etling from last year against crap D's with emsminger as interim OC as an example are funny thinking that is sustainable and gives us best shot at winning long term. you can mask some things with spread concepts. that is not happening with pro style. sure you can still be unpredicatble but your arse better execute and flawlessly if you wanna beat bama with that now.
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