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re: Can we all agree on One Thing - We all want the Tigers to win
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:17 pm to BilJ
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:17 pm to BilJ
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did not want us to beat UF 2 years ago because I thought a loss would officially end O's campaign for HC....Sadly, it did not.
O’s campaign should have been over when he lost to Alabama and missed out on winning the West when the AD made it clear Miles was fired to keep our West hopes alive. Not a Tiger fan in the world could be accused of rooting against LSU on the night that Saban shut us out in Tiger Stadium.
So that should have been the end of any inkling that O would get the job full time. If Miles couldn’t survive not winning the West with that team, why should O?
So I wanted us to beat Florida to get the Sugar Bowl bid and send that group off to the NFL with at least a big time bowl appearance and win that O could use to get a job at a smaller school if he decided not to stay on under the new coach.
Of course, we didn’t. And yet, our AD still didn’t find it time to fire up the jet and go cross country letting the best coaches in college football pitch their vision for the future of LSU football and how to get the program back to the consistent championship contender it had been just a few years before.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 2:18 pm
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:19 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Were he to start winning at a rate at or above the man he replaced, then we would be forced to reassess our opinions of him. Until then, there is every reason to remain skeptical.
agree with that - key words " Until then"
I am not sure Joe understands most LSU Football fans - Les had more talent than just about everyone in football with Bama - Bama killed it and we just looked awful with no QB
On the heels of this Joe hired CEO which I said we should have NEVER done. Joe needed to bring in a QB guy and he had guys that would have come to LSU.
But he hired CEO thinking they had Lane coming to fix our QB issues.
O hired Canada and it was a mess from the get but CEO circled the wagons and that got me to have hope. Now I do have hope and as I have stated the future of CEO lays with these first 3 games.
We win all 3 - the sky
We lose to Miami but beat Auburn - hope
We lose to Miami and Auburn - wow - it will get much more rough early than LSU will expect
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:27 pm to BayouBengal99
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So basically LSU could go 11-2 not make the playoffs but still fire him.
Saying a coach should be fired IF they don’t achieve the level of success we all want is not hoping that the team loses you troglodyte.
I have always been one of the biggest Miles supporters on this board and I posted before the 2016 season that if we didn’t win the West and make it to Atlanta that it was time to move on.
That certainly didn’t mean I wasn’t rooting for LSU to win every damn game.
Are you telling me there weren’t Miles haters that weren’t a little bummed when LSU beat A&M to help keep Miles as HC, or that there weren’t smiles all around when Auburn beat us to send him packing?
As another poster said, someone saying I don’t think O will ever bring a championship to LSU, so if going 6-6 means he is gone, that is better than going 8-4 and getting stuck in mediocrity for another few years like we did under Miles.
That isn’t a hateful or indefensible position and doesn’t mean those people will be mad if we go 10-2 or run the table.
Because to really WIN, as in win something of value like championships or NY6 Bowls, means more than just winning a game at the end of a wasted year to get to 8-4 and the Taxslayer Bowl.
Ultimately, it’s about WINNING, not just winning. (Although I doubt you’ll be perceptive enough to pick up on the difference there, Bayou
)
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:30 pm to TigerCliff777
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O hired Canada and it was a mess from the get but CEO circled the wagons and that got me to have hope.
I see this as a negative, not a positive. FWIW, I was a big proponent of Canada even before Orgeron was hired as head coach and thought that I'd like to see the next head coach at LSU look into him as the new OC.
The fact that he was brought in and then not allowed to run the offense he was hired to run is not a feather in Orgeron's cap. The fact that he was run out of town, complete with a smear campaign designed to make him look like the bad guy, was not a feather in Orgeron's cap. Replacing Canada with our very own TE's coach who had not been a full time OC since the Clinton Administration was not a feather in Orgeron's cap.
None of that gave me anything but reservations and a belief that he had not changed since his days at Ole Miss.
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We win all 3 - the sky
We lose to Miami but beat Auburn - hope
We lose to Miami and Auburn - wow - it will get much more rough early than LSU will expect
Honestly, I don't think we know anything from any of this. Think back to 2014. LSU was 9-0 and #4 in the first CFP poll heading into the BAMA game. Then the wheels flew off in all directions. LSU's schedule is and will remain the back half of our schedule. Until we can get through that back half what we do in the beginning is great, but ultimately not a tell for what will ultimately become our the full season.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:32 pm to BayouBengal99
quote:I’ve seen one poster say they hope LSU loses. One
Ima start book marking them just for you. Y'all know they exist I've seen plenty myself that wish for LSU to lose so we don't have to see O on the sidelines even though they really have no freakn clue how he will do here at LSU.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:33 pm to justice
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I’ve seen one poster say they hope LSU loses.
That'll be easy to bookmark then.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:39 pm to kengel2
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And you are to stupid to figure out a google search that pulls up multiple posts from this forum.
Those posts would be examples.
And ::signs off:: right on cue
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:41 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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The fact that he was brought in and then not allowed to run the offense he was hired to run is not a feather in Orgeron's cap. The fact that he was run out of town, complete with a smear campaign designed to make him look like the bad guy, was not a feather in Orgeron's cap.
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LSU's schedule is and will remain the back half of our schedule. Until we can get through that back half what we do in the beginning is great, but ultimately not a tell for what will ultimately become our the full season.
I actually disagree here.
It’s not the norm, but this year we are very front loaded aside from Alabama.
Miami and Auburn the first three weeks are HUGE games for this team. I see a win over Miami and a loss at Auburn.
Then, October is the key to the whole season. Unless we plan on beating Alabama, that means we have to go undefeated against Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi State to get to 10-2 and a NY6 Bowl.
Those three games will determine the fate of this team. Two are at home, and Florida is coming off of a 4-7 season with a dumpster fire at the QB position.
If O wants to prove he is a NY6 level coach, he has to win those three games, all of which are winnable if his hand picked OC is the right guy for the job with his already developed 4th year quarterback that fell into our laps.
After Alabama we have to very soft defenses under new HCs that bad teams last year. After Alabama should be smooth sailing in November so October is the key this year
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:46 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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I actually disagree here.
It’s not the norm, but this year we are very front loaded aside from Alabama.
No worries. All I mean is this notion that a 3-0 start means we're good to go misses the fact that we've done this most of the past 15 years or so. Paraphrasing Nuke LaLoosh...winning is most certainly better than losing, but I'm not looking to extend Orgeron's contract because LSU starts the season 3-0.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:48 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Those three games
those 3 games mean little it we win the first 3 games
3-0 = 12-0
after we win the first 3 we win all the rest - it's a given
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:52 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I think there was only one person, one time who blurted out they wanted LSU to LOSE to get rid of 0 in a fit of anger after being harrassed endlessly about it. Maybe he was being truthful or maybe he was finally telling you what you wanted to hear.
Either way. I think everyone wants LSU to be successful and win. Every Season. There HAVE been positive developments in the program lately. Hopefully this will translate into wins on a larger scale. I was in the wait and see camp last year and I didn't like what I saw. This year I was in the I want them to win but think 0 is a horrible coach and friggin up the program at every turn camp.
Getting players is half the job, and it finally appears we are getting some stock in to replace what we'll have going out. Here's hoping somehow 0 figures out the coaching thing. I haven't heard anything on our field goal god yet, not sure if that's a good thing or bad. I guess every season will be a 'wait and see' season for a while until we either figure out coaching or upgrade the position.
Either way. I think everyone wants LSU to be successful and win. Every Season. There HAVE been positive developments in the program lately. Hopefully this will translate into wins on a larger scale. I was in the wait and see camp last year and I didn't like what I saw. This year I was in the I want them to win but think 0 is a horrible coach and friggin up the program at every turn camp.
Getting players is half the job, and it finally appears we are getting some stock in to replace what we'll have going out. Here's hoping somehow 0 figures out the coaching thing. I haven't heard anything on our field goal god yet, not sure if that's a good thing or bad. I guess every season will be a 'wait and see' season for a while until we either figure out coaching or upgrade the position.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:18 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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As another poster said, someone saying I don’t think O will ever bring a championship to LSU, so if going 6-6 means he is gone, that is better than going 8-4 and getting stuck in mediocrity for another few years like we did under Miles.
That isn’t a hateful or indefensible position and doesn’t mean those people will be mad if we go 10-2 or run the table.
Right. Consistent 3-4 loss seasons for a program of our stature is like college football purgatory. When Les was finally fired, Hanigriff and others alluded to that being the reason; the powers that be were afraid if they didn't pull the trigger, Les was going to salvage another 9 or 10 win season and his job. Another fine year, but no better off than where we were.
That's the fear with Orgeron. He might win enough to drag out his job security, but can he get us back over the hump? That's what he was hired for, but he has yet to even win 10 games in a season as a HC. I get the sentiments if it appears we're stuck on this plateau.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 3:20 pm to nvasil1
It's the equivalent of winning 7-9 games in the NFL.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 5:05 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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No worries. All I mean is this notion that a 3-0 start means we're good to go misses the fact that we've done this most of the past 15 years or so. Paraphrasing Nuke LaLoosh...winning is most certainly better than losing, but I'm not looking to extend Orgeron's contract because LSU starts the season 3-0.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 5:07 pm to TigerCliff777
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those 3 games mean little it we win the first 3 games
3-0 = 12-0
after we win the first 3 we win all the rest - it's a given
Dear God I hope we start off 3-0
But you know you are going to be shitting your pants if we do
Ban bet still in effect
Posted on 6/25/18 at 6:07 pm to lsu2006
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And ::signs off:: right on cue
Sorry for having a job.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 6:11 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I can't give a number, but I've seen more than one. Whatever the actual number is though, it's very small and an infinitesimally small number when considering the total number of posters here
Well, I guess I was combining the fire Miles and fire Orgeron camps together. Searched for these for a few minutes. I know there were more in the coaching changes forum and gameday threads.
Here's one for Miles with 28 upvotes. LINK
Another for Miles with 26 upvotes. LINK
Here's one for Orgeron. LINK
Posted on 6/25/18 at 6:19 pm to kengel2
Thanks for posting. You're the first person to produce something for Orgeron that I know of. I searched for the only other one I saw, but I guess it got whacked. That's the only issue in trying to find the stuff. Most of it occurs in the most heated threads and some idiot says something really stupid and it's gone forever.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 6:40 pm to TigerLunatik
There are tons of locked threads calling people out for wanting LSU to lose.
I had another one, but can't find it anymore.
I had another one, but can't find it anymore.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 6:44 pm to kengel2
For the most part, I've found that those calling out people for saying they want LSU to lose are making huge leaps and jumping to conclusions. Of course, there are a few idiots.
But, as far as the locked threads, I had the same issue looking for people telling me rankings don't matter. I know a couple of the usernames that did it for sure and it's nowhere to be found.
But, as far as the locked threads, I had the same issue looking for people telling me rankings don't matter. I know a couple of the usernames that did it for sure and it's nowhere to be found.
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