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re: Can the Jarrett Lee knights...
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:35 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:35 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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You don't think the team looked like they'd given up on him?
That he'd given up on himself?
That his confidence looked blown?
Well, seeing as how the last full game he played was the game when he led LSU to its biggest come from behind win in the history of the program, no, it didn't look like he or anyone else had given up. YOU and many other fans may have given up on him, and YOUR confidence may have been blown, but not his or the teams.
Again, yes the ENTIRE team looked down and disheartened most of the year. But I tend to think that was the result of a complete lack of leadership of players AND coaches from a national championship aquad. The entire team floundered.
Lee was the unfortunate QB of the team at the time and as we all know, the QB is the most visible position on the field. His mistakes are much easier to see than say someone who blew a coverage, ran the wrong route, LOAFED ON A ROUTE, missed a block, missed a tackle, QUIT ON A PLAY, called a bad play, etc.
This post was edited on 1/13/09 at 12:38 pm
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Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:43 pm to Tiger Voodoo
let's just agree to disagree. the point still remains the same.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:51 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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let's just agree to disagree
Posted on 1/13/09 at 12:57 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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karmapol1ce
JLee had a horrible season, but that in no way should authorize people to post crap like "I hope he walks off of a cliff." Or the repeated pointless threads designed solely to bash him.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 1:30 pm to LSUtigahs28
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JLee had a horrible season, but that in no way should authorize people to post crap like "I hope he walks off of a cliff." Or the repeated pointless threads designed solely to bash him.
Seriously, most of the Jlee bashers treat him as if he were in his 2nd or 3rd year of game play experience instead of his first year.
You can cherrypick stats all you want, but at the end of the day his only real flaw seems to be that he throws interceptions. A big flaw to be sure. Partly bad decision making, partly forcing his throws. Also bad decision making.
...but that's not the whole story, and what the Jlee haters won't admit the facts that our receivers also played poorly. Lafell tipped the ball and / or fricked up his routes more than a couple of times this season too. You can't really include Byrd in most of that because he wasn't thrown to all season, but on the other hand one of the pick 6's hit Byrd right in the hands too.
I can only count two times that a defender intercepted a pass for a touchdown without having a chance to be tackled.
He'll get better, and will compete for the starting job. Granted, JJ has the edge (but also has a completion % under 50%), and RS will also compete (no idea if he is actually ready until the first game), but people that want to act like he is a no-talent bum that should never put on a tiger uniform are extremely short-sighted.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 1:32 pm to ironsides
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He'll get better, and will compete for the starting job.
No, no he won't.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 1:36 pm to LSU Fan 90812
karma-
shouldnt we be dicussing this on the rant radio show in-game thread? haha too soon?
but seriously, is espn 1300 EVER going to be back on the air? i miss my daily dose of cowherd followed by the rant at noon
shouldnt we be dicussing this on the rant radio show in-game thread? haha too soon?
but seriously, is espn 1300 EVER going to be back on the air? i miss my daily dose of cowherd followed by the rant at noon
Posted on 1/13/09 at 1:50 pm to LSUtigahs28
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No, no he won't.
In the Les Miles world, the #1 draft pick had to compete with a late round pick and a 5 star bust - and you think that next season's starter will be announced before the 15 days leading up to the Washington game?
Posted on 1/13/09 at 3:05 pm to ironsides
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In the Les Miles world, the #1 draft pick had to compete with a late round pick and a 5 star bust
If you are referring to JR vs. Matt Flynn you are an imbecile. First off, MF was a 4 star. Secondly, I don't think anyone would call a QB who leads their team to a National Championship a bust.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 3:10 pm to Ninja Looter
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If you are referring to JR vs. Matt Flynn you are an imbecile. First off, MF was a 4 star.
1) So was Jarret Lee.
2) I was referring to Perrilloux.
stop
and chill out.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 3:11 pm to Ninja Looter
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you are an imbecile.
I'm not endorsing what he said, but you might want to work on your reading comprehension before you call anyone an imbecile.
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with a late round pick
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a 5 star bust
Posted on 1/13/09 at 3:15 pm to LSUtigahs28
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you might want to work on your reading comprehension before you call anyone an imbecile.
I read it as him calling Flynn and "a late round pick and a 5 star bust." It was easy to misread it seeing as how JR never actually competed with RP...
Posted on 1/13/09 at 3:25 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I don't blame the UF debacle on him at all, the UGA wasn't 100% his fault ( but he did have some soul crushing plays ), but Alabama was inexcusably bad for any SEC quarterback. A QB with the competency level of Marcus Randall would have won that game for us. After the way he gave Bama the game after an all-timer FG block to go to OT, LSU mailed it in for the rest of the regular season resulting in an amazing comeback vs. a sunbelt team along with embarrassing losses to Ole Miss and Arkansas.
I agree with the topic maker.
I agree with the topic maker.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 3:26 pm to LSU Fan 90812
What's up karma
Well I gotta agree with you, Jared Lee had a awful season..heck it was horrible. and in my opinion, yes, I do think he played a part in costing us some games. But also I'm upset at the defense..(rather the co coordinators) for getting us in these holes..and I'm sure that forced crowton to make Jared attempt even riskier throws to get us out of holes.. basically what I'm getting at is that I believe the LSU team as a whole was sucky this time around, and aside from this horrible season, I'm gonna reserve my opinion of Jared until next year because I gotta give the little guy another chance you know? I'm sure the RP incident threw a curve ball at the whole team. Regardless, I'm still more of a JJ fan though. His ability to scramble is a big big big plus, and that guy can definitely whip the ball down the field...still a long way to go though, but that's how it is most of the time. We're gonna have some awesome qb's in the future.
Well I gotta agree with you, Jared Lee had a awful season..heck it was horrible. and in my opinion, yes, I do think he played a part in costing us some games. But also I'm upset at the defense..(rather the co coordinators) for getting us in these holes..and I'm sure that forced crowton to make Jared attempt even riskier throws to get us out of holes.. basically what I'm getting at is that I believe the LSU team as a whole was sucky this time around, and aside from this horrible season, I'm gonna reserve my opinion of Jared until next year because I gotta give the little guy another chance you know? I'm sure the RP incident threw a curve ball at the whole team. Regardless, I'm still more of a JJ fan though. His ability to scramble is a big big big plus, and that guy can definitely whip the ball down the field...still a long way to go though, but that's how it is most of the time. We're gonna have some awesome qb's in the future.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:16 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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No amount of Freshman excuses can be issued either.
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it's that stats can be used and manipulated in a way to try and make any argument
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i'm not using stats. I'm using an overall just snapshot assessment
You should be a lawyer. Very convincing.
ETA: since we are just arguing about opinions, here's mine: JL had awful moments this season, not an awful season in general.
This post was edited on 1/13/09 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:21 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Honestly, I've been a JLee "supporter" if you say this year. Truth be told, he had a bad year, but he's only a freshman, give the guy a year or two to let him adapt to the SEC.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:22 pm to LSU Fan 90812
i don't mind lee as backup if need-be, but i don't see him progressing as a qb. he may have a pretty good arm, but he lacks tremendously in decision making.. i don't care if he was a freshman (red shirt).. i've seen far better performances out of true freshman.
lee didn't use all of the weapons we have on wideout (JJ does), stop forcing the ball to lafell every play.. granted lafell bailed him out a ton.. he needs to spread the ball around a bit. throw the ball up a bit let toliver go get it.. hit d byrd on a fly (byrd is gone now i know).. so some other receiver will replace the speed. continue to utilize one of the best pass catching tight ends in the SEC..
lee didn't use all of the weapons we have on wideout (JJ does), stop forcing the ball to lafell every play.. granted lafell bailed him out a ton.. he needs to spread the ball around a bit. throw the ball up a bit let toliver go get it.. hit d byrd on a fly (byrd is gone now i know).. so some other receiver will replace the speed. continue to utilize one of the best pass catching tight ends in the SEC..
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:27 pm to beauchristopher
you guys talk about how we shouldn't bash lee because he played his heart out for the tigers.. yeah that was really nice he went out there and did his best.. but how do we know he played his heart out? i think he just did his job..
i don't like to criticize too much but lee is horrible as a leading/decision making qb. regardless of whether he was freshman.. he did redshirt you know. lee actually has more talent than actual leadership skills. i like how JJ as a true freshman really embraced being a leader for the chic bowl.. and incoming russell shepard is a natural leader.. lee doesn't really seem to rally the team around him.. when clearly these other two guys seem to be able to do it at a younger age..
i don't like to criticize too much but lee is horrible as a leading/decision making qb. regardless of whether he was freshman.. he did redshirt you know. lee actually has more talent than actual leadership skills. i like how JJ as a true freshman really embraced being a leader for the chic bowl.. and incoming russell shepard is a natural leader.. lee doesn't really seem to rally the team around him.. when clearly these other two guys seem to be able to do it at a younger age..
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:37 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:But blaming Lee for the defense giving up 5 60+ yard TD drives against Georgia makes perfect sense?
no. and furthermore, blaming the defense for jarrett lee's mistakes is flat out retarded
Lee had a bad, bad season. He showed some promise and a LOT of inconsistency. He also had some horrible luck with his INTs being returned for TDs. A few were because he threw them into dangerous spots. Others were because of bad luck. But, some people can't accept bad breaks and must find a scapegoat who is not only at fault, but despicable to boot. So, we get comments like "Jarrett Lee is garbage" and "Jarrett Lee can walk off a cliff for all I care" and "Jarrett Lee is the worst QB in history" and "no QB could possibly have played worse than Jarrett Lee".
Debating the merits of claims like that is a far, far cry from denying he had a bad season. Jamie Howard had a much, much worse performance at Auburn in '94 as a JUNIOR than Lee had in ANY game. And we were 4-7 that year. And I argued against the people calling Howard "garbage" then, too.
Defending a player is only irrational when the criticism heaped upon his is entirely justified and rational. None of "garbage" nor "worst QB ever" nor "can walk off a cliff for all I care" nor much of the rest being leveled at Lee fit the bill.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:38 pm to LSUtigahs28
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He'll get better, and will compete for the starting job.
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No, no he won't.
i agree. i wouldn't mind being wrong but i don't see him progressing.
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