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Can NIL monies be used to circumvent the 85 scholarship limit?

Posted on 11/28/23 at 6:18 am
Posted by billfish21
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2009
1653 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 6:18 am
Big LSU fan and college football fan mulling over the huge NIL monies…

could a team stockpile talent well in excess of the 85 scholarship limit?

How sustainable is throwing 8&4 level monies to 18- and 19- year olds?

Contracts?

Income taxes?

Geaux Tigers
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4090 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 6:25 am to
You have to give the entire value of a full ride + actual money to the player. Nobody is going to spend that kind of cash on the 86th player on your roster.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11438 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 6:32 am to
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Nobody is going to spend that kind of cash on the 86th player on your roster.


They already are. Texas OL get 100k per year just for being a Texas OL. That's not including any other NIL agreements that player may have worked out.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 6:56 am to
Ole Miss’ kicker Caden Davis is on a “full NIL scholarship”, while the backup Caden Costa has the 4 yr actual scholarship.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 1:38 pm
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
11282 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 6:59 am to
I thought I read that this is what we did with baseball
Posted by Teton Tiger
Somewhere between here and there.
Member since Mar 2005
3032 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:25 am to
You have to give the entire value of a full ride + actual money to the player. Nobody is going to spend that kind of cash on the 86th player on your roster.

How about Texas AM? Paying X coaches and players is their thing. Smart supporters over there ??.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
41743 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:28 am to
quote:

could a team stockpile talent well in excess of the 85 scholarship limit?



Can you? Sure. But eventually, players, with the possible exception of kickers and long snappers, will figure out that if they are not on scholarship they are looked at as rotational or even practice pieces and can expect little playing time.

quote:

Contracts?


Not permitted under what are supposed to be the current rules, though I am not sure what exactly the NCAA is actually doing or enforcing.

quote:

Income taxes?


NIL money is taxable income.

quote:

Geaux Tigers
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
18389 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:44 am to
quote:

They already are. Texas OL get 100k per year just for being a Texas OL. That's not including any other NIL agreements that player may have worked out.

I understand your point about the values of scholarships, but these aren’t the 86th roster players? Do these players also get this stuff on top of scholarship money and not replacing it?
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10455 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:59 am to

quote:

Can NIL monies be used to circumvent the 85 scholarship limit?


quote:

I thought I read that this is what we did with baseball


this would all boil down to technicalities and how NIL rules are interpreted.

football is a "counter" sport and Baseball is not.

meaning if a student athlete receives ANY financial aid at all from the school, then he counts against the scholarship limit for his sport.
meaning even if a math nerd with a full ride academic scholarship wants to walk on to the football team, NCAA rules require he is counted against your 85 man limit.

this rule is to prevent teams from using other scholarships (or programs like TOPs, etc.) to circumvent the 85 limit.


Baseball is considered a "non-counter" sport.
and you can supplement their scholarship (or lack of scholarship) with other financial aid.
in years past, LSU would use programs like TOPs to help with in state kids.

that's why these small private schools can compete better in Baseball than they can in football.

Vanderbilt for example has a program (available to all students) where if you qualify to get into Vandy, but don't have the means to pay their full tuition, they will work out a reduced price based on "what you can afford".
That reduction in tuition is considered financial aid, so would count against the 85 scholarship limit in football.
But it does not count against the 11.7 in baseball.

So Vanderbilt can offer that "Aid" to baseball recruits. Theoretically they could have their entire Baseball roster paying virtually nothing to attend Vanderbilt.

State run schools like LSU on the other hand are limited to their 11.7 plus any academic scholarships the players themselves earn.


Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
53459 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:32 am to
Walk ons are receiving NIL deals in some cases
It might not be much but it happens
I'm pretty sure Walk Ons gave some LSU walk ons some NIL deals recently and at other schools

I seem to remember another school that gave all their walk ons something

So yeah it is possible for players that are not officially on the 85 man roster to receive money since walk ons don't count on the official 85
Posted by Toadlaw
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2016
101 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:36 am to
They already are. Texas OL get 100k per year just for being a Texas OL. That's not including any other NIL agreements that player may have worked out.
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Fake News...know 2 families with OL kids at UT
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:00 am to
How much do scholarship UT’s OL get paid then?

It is not uncommon for SEC schools to give $45k+ to EVERY scholarship football player. Doesn’t seem out of step to offer scholarship OL a stipend on top of that.
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