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re: Can JJ take us to the next level this year?
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:15 pm to LSUfan4444
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:15 pm to LSUfan4444
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LSU beat Auburn and Troy in spite of Lee
Auburn: Lee is why we beat them.
Troy: Even if Lee had been perfect in the second half we couldnt have won without the help of poor coaching by Troy
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JJ had nothing to do with the loss against Arkansas
Yes and No. He couldve stayed cool under pressure with 30 second left and got us in field goal range, but he was only a fresh. And he wouldnt of had to if Alem hadnt tried out for punter.
This post was edited on 8/12/09 at 1:15 pm
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:17 pm to Akit1
Awesome! I made docs quote of the season! Unfortunately the short/long term memory loss of some fans who don't remember those 4 quarters of stardom may be slightly confused... 
This post was edited on 8/12/09 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:19 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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Yes and No
you're wrong
JJ had nothing to do with losing to arkansas
he was 9/21 with 143 yards passing against that stellar defense (sarcasm off)
fact is JJ was LOST against Arkansas
his running was impressive, so people got a sparkle in their eye because they saw a few good runs and forgot about how bad his passing was
people were happy he took sacks and gained some yards on the ground instead of forcing some balls Lee tried to force
not saying JJ looked bad, but come on man....people were all over his nut sack and the guy hadn't done shite going into the Ga Tech game
This post was edited on 8/12/09 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:22 pm to LSUfan4444
Thats why I said yes and no. JJ had us in position to win the game until ALem punted the ball across the field. Yes he looked raw, yes he had nice runs, yes he had some nice passes and yes some awful passes. But I think JJ did enough from his end. The defense let us down as they did pretty much all last year.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:23 pm to XbengalTiger
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Their best chance to win was to keep running their offense.
they could have literally kneeled the ball every possession,punted, and still won the game.
seriously.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:23 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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well if they had run the ball instead of passing it we were down 31-3 so they couldve milked an extra 3 minutes off the clock by running and going 3 and out instead of passing
And we took the lead with over 4 minutes left in the game so even if they run it three and out we still have time for the comeback. You just proved my point. People would have said it was bad coaching if they sat on the ball and LSU came back to win the game. They palyed to win and lost. That is better than playing not to lose. It was a calculated risk, not bad coaching. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:24 pm to LSUfan4444
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when he struggled with his accuracy all day
struggled with accuracy?
during the arky game?
I remember a lot of drops..
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:26 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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And he wouldnt of had to if Alem hadnt tried out for punter.
there were many reasons for the arky loss, but man... that was just laughable.
had them stopped, 3rd and long... then here comes alem, kicking the ball in frustration
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:26 pm to XbengalTiger
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And we took the lead with over 4 minutes left in the game so even if they run it three and out we still have time for the comeback. You just proved my point. People would have said it was bad coaching if they sat on the ball and LSU came back to win the game. They palyed to win and lost. That is better than playing not to lose. It was a calculated risk, not bad coaching
yea but we wouldve been under alot more pressured going for the game winning TD with under a minute left rather than around 4. It was a poorly coached game by both teams. And if it was a calculated risk, well then they miscalculated which still ends with bad coaching.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:27 pm to LSUfan4444
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fact is JJ was LOST against Arkansas
imagine that.
a true frosh, starting his first game ever, against a SEC team, on the road...
oh, and he started the season out as the 4th string QB
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:27 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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JJ had us in position to win the game until ALem punted the ball across the field. Yes he looked raw, yes he had nice runs, yes he had some nice passes and yes some awful passes. But I think JJ did enough from his end. The defense let us down as they did pretty much all last year.
i agree 100%, but you diminish JJ's shortcomings when you give excuses and spout blame at other people, and then you diminish Lee's accomplishments when you do the same
whats good for the goose is good for the gander. unfortunately, these two have never been fairly compaired (because its been impossible to do so far)
both looked good at times, both looked bad at times
1 got too much credit, 1 got too much blame
1 has peoples making excuses for him, 1 shoulders the most blame on the team or staff
etc
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:28 pm to LSUfan4444
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people were happy he took sacks and gained some yards on the ground instead of forcing some balls Lee tried to force
+1
i'd rather a QB take a sack than throw into double coverage, off his back foot
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:31 pm to LSUfan4444
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1 has peoples making excuses for him, 1 shoulders the most blame on the team or staff
Wheres the excuse in there? The fact that if we had stopped Arky instead of giving them a first down when if they had punted the ball we wouldve gotten the ball back with a short field. and you could probably assume with the field position we wouldve goteen even with a fair catch we probably couldve atleasted kicked a field goal even if we barely gained anything?
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:31 pm to TheDoc
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i'd rather a QB take a sack than throw into double coverage, off his back foot
and you completely lose the fact that he didn't know the playbook and looked like he was running a schoolyard offense out there
when things broke down, he didn't know what to do...so he ran, and people went nuts
i have no problem giving JJ praise when he earns it, but why do you and so many have problems criticizing his shortcomings?
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:33 pm to TheDoc
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imagine that.
a true frosh, starting his first game ever, against a SEC team, on the road...
oh, and he started the season out as the 4th string QB
what about being Lee
what about being a RS frosh being thrown into the mix b/c the predecessor gets thrown off the team and starter gets injured and after leading the team back on the road against Auburn the fan base throws you under the bus when you have struggles
why do you contstantly make excuses for JJ, but NOTHING for Lee
we all know what happened, but why do you compare them so differently?
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:34 pm to TheDoc
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struggled with accuracy?
during the arky game?
I remember a lot of drops..
yes the arkansas game, he was off all day
he had 4 drops
what about the drop lee had against Bama when he hit chris mithcell in stride that would have likely won the game for LSU
if you cuont drops for one, count them for the other
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:36 pm to LSUfan4444
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i have no problem giving JJ praise when he earns it, but why do you and so many have problems criticizing his shortcomings?
Because when recievers are droppings passes, the defense is giving away first downs to the enemy offense, Is that really JJ? Yes he was our starter and lost that game, but it was far more than just his play that lost us that game.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:37 pm to LSUfan4444
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yes the arkansas game, he was off all day
he had 4 drops
what about the drop lee had against Bama when he hit chris mithcell in stride that would have likely won the game for LSU
if you cuont drops for one, count them for the other
and if he hadnt thrown a pick six we couldve also won, or if he hadnt thrown a pick in OT the defense wouldve had atleast something to work with.
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:38 pm to LSUfan4444
doc, all you're doing is making excuses for JJ and putting nothing but blame and discrediting Lee
anything bad that happened to JJ either wasn't his fault or there is a valid erason behind it
anything good that happeend to Lee wasn't becayse of his accomplishments but due to someone elses failures
its tired and as you can see, more people are veering away from that ridiculous opinion so many shared with you last january
anything bad that happened to JJ either wasn't his fault or there is a valid erason behind it
anything good that happeend to Lee wasn't becayse of his accomplishments but due to someone elses failures
its tired and as you can see, more people are veering away from that ridiculous opinion so many shared with you last january
Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:39 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
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and if he hadnt thrown a pick six we couldve also won, or if he hadnt thrown a pick in OT the defense wouldve had atleast something to work with
you are 100% absolutely proving my point
when discussing JJ, lets talk about his drops not his mistakes
when discussing lee, lets talk about his mistakes not drops
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