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re: Cameron: Plays are a team call
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:37 pm to CourseyCorridor
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:37 pm to CourseyCorridor
Well considering Les' background in coaching is offense and he played on offense, and Chavis has been 1 of the best DC in college football the past 15 years. I dont think Les tells Chavis much.
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Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:38 pm to MOT
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Anyone with common sense and no agenda
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That disqualifies about 70% of our fan base.
More like anyone who doesn't throw out red herrings and straw men to make an argument, a la Gray Tiger.
No one is saying Les Miles doesn't and shouldn't have some input into the game plan in the week leading up to the game. The worry is that he is changing the play to a full back dive on 3rd and 13 when we are down by 10 points. This literally has happened several times so this is not some fantasy, this is the reality of the LSU football offense. It has been ranked in the cellar in most offensive categories for the last 5 years, save for a few spotty moments. We have been through several half OC's, part time OC's, shitty OC's, and unhealthy OC's in the meantime. The one consistent component to all of that is Les Miles. You do the math.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:39 pm to Gray Tiger
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Since you apparently have an inside track to the workings of LSU football, you tell us. I know that you have attended lots of game planning meetings, practice seeeions and have an inside track to what goes on on the phones during a game, so please let us in on your inside knowlege. Tell us how many times and what exact calls has Les made on the defensive side of the ball.
Tell us now.
You know all this stuff.
Share it.
Tell us how many and how often.
Tell us.
Les Miles hired John Chavis and said, "It's your defense, you run it." Meanwhile on offense, Les has curled up into the fetal position and only asks that the offense doesn't turn the ball over so that the defense can win the game for us. No quarterback, not any one in the country, could be highly successful in the rudimentary passing schemes that the LSU offense of the last 4 years has run. It's really not fair to criticize Zach Mettenberger when his 3rd slant pass called out of the same formation on a single drive gets picked off and ran back 60 yards. The opposing defenses aren't stupid and eventually you just can't line up and manhandle 9 people in the box.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:41 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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You do the math
-Perrillloux + bad QBs = poor offense
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:45 pm to Choupique19
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No quarterback, not any one in the country, could be highly successful in the rudimentary passing schemes that the LSU offense of the last 4 years has run
It sure is convenient to use the last 4 years only in your argument. Let's throw out 05-07 when LSU had good QB play and chalk it up as Les deciding to suddenly be a shitty meddling offensive coach.
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Les Miles hired John Chavis and said, "It's your defense, you run it."
Link?
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:45 pm to CourseyCorridor
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but he wants Miles' input:
well frick........
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:45 pm to Choupique19
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only asks that the offense doesn't turn the ball over so that the defense can win the game for us. No quarterback, not any one in the country, could be highly successful in the rudimentary passing schemes that the LSU offense of the last 4 years has run.
personally I think Les realized that this strategy had run its course and made the change after last season. 2011 was a little bit of fool's gold. The offensive strategy really doesn't need to change much, the team was a couple of plays away from playing for an SEC championship last year. What Cam should bring is better play design and better tactical play calling.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:46 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:Why don't YOU, tell US?
Since you apparently have an inside track to the workings of LSU football, you tell us. I know that you have attended lots of game planning meetings, practice seeeions and have an inside track to what goes on on the phones during a game, so please let us in on your inside knowlege. Tell us how many times and what exact calls has Les made on the defensive side of the ball.
Since you know all of the machinations of LSU football, everybody else is wrong and you are always right, I can only surmise that you are posting from deep within the Football Operations Building as one the Miles minions or a sycophant. Are you not aware that the LSU offense has absolutely sucked giant Donkey balls for the last 4 or 5 years despite having one of the best recruiting hauls over the same 5 year period as any Div I school in recent memory? Or are we just supposed to accept the mediocrity and be happy with it? Oh, and here's another web gem from you, let's not discuss anything, even though this is a message board for people to BITCH as well as CHEER.
You are the biggest simpleton on this board, and your contributions to threads border on the level of a 3rd grader...get a new act.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:48 pm to PhiTiger1764
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You do the math
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Perrillloux + bad QBs = poor offense
Miles + JLee int's and shitty OC hires + plus Miles freaking out = poor offense.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:48 pm to Choupique19
Les Miles is the head coach of course he has say with the defense.
For Gods sake....
For Gods sake....
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:48 pm to ForeLSU
Here's my question:
Cameron is said to be giving more options for Mettenberger to check to. I'm assuming these include more pass options.
What happens if Mett starts checking into more passes and they are, to Cameron, the right checks, but Miles isn't liking the run-pass balance as a result?
I wonder if this is what was happening with Flacco.
Cameron is said to be giving more options for Mettenberger to check to. I'm assuming these include more pass options.
What happens if Mett starts checking into more passes and they are, to Cameron, the right checks, but Miles isn't liking the run-pass balance as a result?
I wonder if this is what was happening with Flacco.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:49 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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The worry is that he is changing the play to a full back dive on 3rd and 13 when we are down by 10 points. This literally has happened several times
Really? How many times? To me that sounds like
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throw out red herrings and straw men to make an argument
The offense hasn't been good, no one questions that. But I think Miles put the reins on the passing game in order to minimize the risk of the bad offense....I don't think him wanting to go conservative was the reason it was bad.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:50 pm to MOT
And we forget that our receivers couldn't hold on to the ball and Mett was deer in headlights in the pocket and was overthrowing everyone last year. Didn't help the offense.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:51 pm to PhiTiger1764
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It sure is convenient to use the last 4 years only in your argument. Let's throw out 05-07 when LSU had good QB play and chalk it up as Les deciding to suddenly be a shitty meddling offensive coach.
It's blatantly obvious that Les Miles stepped in late in 2008 and put a choke hold on the offense. Now maybe it was needed at the time, but that doesn't excuse 4 long years of a passing offense that shares company with Army and Air Force. The misuse of great receiving talent lack Reuben Randle is criminal.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:51 pm to CourseyCorridor
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What happens if Mett starts checking into more passes and they are, to Cameron, the right checks, but Miles isn't liking the run-pass balance as a result?
my guess is that >95% of the time both coaches will agree that the right check was made...assuming the right check was made.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 12:57 pm to uway
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Wait, are we now pretending that Studrawa wasn't the OC in 2011 and 2012, before Krags was even in the picture?
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about here?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:02 pm to Choupique19
Could those four years have been about Lee and Jefferson more than Miles, Crowton, Krag and Stud?
Could the real mistake been not recruiting high-end QBs before and after Perrilloux, thus putting too many eggs in one basket?
Could the real mistake been not recruiting high-end QBs before and after Perrilloux, thus putting too many eggs in one basket?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:09 pm to CourseyCorridor
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Could those four years have been about Lee and Jefferson more than Miles, Crowton, Krag and Stud?
No, because they weren't the quarterbacks last season. I saw with my own eyes the maturation into a solid quarterback by #12 in his 4 years at LSU. #9 was never good in the passing game, yet he was consistently put into the games over #12 for reasons none of us will ever know. #12 wasn't perfect, but he gave LSU a balanced threat in the passing game, but Les Miles never deemed the passing threat important.
Last year both of those guys were gone, and for 1 quarter of football LSU looked to have opened up the play book. Then, early in the North Texas game Zach Mettenberger threw a redzone interception (pick 6?) and back to the "run full speed ahead into a brick wall" offense we went.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:12 pm to Choupique19
I thought they threw it around a bit in 08, but they threw it to the wrong team alot.
In 09, Chavis came in and they started improving on defense.
By 2010, defense was dominant and offense started playing to that strength.
I think the defenses the last three years have been exceptional and that is a GOOD reason for the offense to be more conservative at times.
In 09, Chavis came in and they started improving on defense.
By 2010, defense was dominant and offense started playing to that strength.
I think the defenses the last three years have been exceptional and that is a GOOD reason for the offense to be more conservative at times.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 1:16 pm to MOT
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Anyone with common sense and no agenda That disqualifies about 70% of our fan base.
Tough break I guess.
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