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re: Cameron: Plays are a team call
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:02 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:02 pm to Choupique19
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I'm not knighting for Crowton, as much as I'm pointing out that Les Miles wants to sit on the ball on offense, play field postion, and then hope that the Honey Badger scores a touchdown so that LSU wins.
Yes, when the offense became bad and we had poor QB play he made it a point to not let them lose the game...and tried to rely on defense, special teams, and the running game.
And it is hilarious that people still want to bring up that Crowton quote since he got fired 4 months later for....you guessed it....having a shitty offense. I guess they wouldn'tet him run his offense at Maryland. And not in Canada either since his offense was still bad up there the last time I checked.
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Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:02 pm to madddoggydawg
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Like on the Ravens?
die.
Truth hurt much?
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:04 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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he worry is that he is changing the play to a full back dive on 3rd and 13 when we are down by 10 points. This literally has happened several times
Which games? Play by plays are on the internet for every game. Please find this, since it happened so often.
I think you guys just want to say Les changed the plays. I dont buy it. Our offense has looked diff under every coordinator. I think Les decides certain situations, like going for it on 4th down. He is responsible though for how the team performs, and the coaches he hires. I think hes mostly done a very good job. And i have no problem with his philosophy, power run game, great st, and play to ur strength, the defense.
Im looking back at sabans offenses and they were abysmal at times. Because of his mismanagement of the qb position. 2002 and 2004 were horrible.
This post was edited on 8/12/13 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:04 pm to dgnx6
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Well we beat them. By using our qb to run the option. Les is the one that made changes the first go around and won. Les took advantages of the opportunities given. Saban took advantage of his mulligan.
I am firmly on record on the SEC Rant in stating that Les Miles flat out outcoached Nick Saban on November 2011. Saban kept trying field goals out of his kickers' range. Saban didn't call a timeout late in the game and wasted 35 seconds before they got the ball back. Why? Because Les Miles was in his head. In 2010 we were successful on a fake punt and a 4th and 1 tight end reverse. Saban was scared to make sound football decisions because he didn't know if Les would go for it or not. Les plain and simple outcoached Saban that night.
I'm not a constant Les basher. I give credit where it's deserved, and Les deserves a ton of credit for the overall job he has done at LSU. But no coach is perfect, and the offensive philosophy/execution/results of the last 4 years is an area that Les needs to improve.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:07 pm to CourseyCorridor
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Do you think, as others have suggested, Les will respect Cam enough to concede to his judgement more than he has in the last five years?
This wasn't directed to me but I'll go on record and say that as long as the offense performs and doesn't hurt the team's chances of being successful...then yes, it will be more open and aggressive.
But if Mett is taking hits, turning the ball over, the receivers aren't getting open, and the receivers are struggling catching the ball consistently...then it will be more conservative and take few chances.
I think it will be better than we've seen.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:09 pm to MOT
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Yes, when the offense became bad and we had poor QB play he made it a point to not let them lose the game...and tried to rely on defense, special teams, and the running game.
At what point did the 2011 offense become bad? I'd say right about the start of the Western Kentucky game. I blame that on the head coach making a big change in the offensive personnel. But of course, that's been discussed once or twice on this board.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:10 pm to dgnx6
quote:the biggest is during the NC game, do you have to be reminded? Really? You could insert that shitty play for a myriad of others that were stupid running plays that never worked, running into a brick wall of 9 players geared up to stop the run. I only listed the FB dive partly as a joke, but partly not, you can go through a list and pick your poison- the short side option, the JJ fake read, and the Spencer Ware bull rush for 1 yard to name a few.
Which games? Play by plays are on the internet for every game. Please find this, since it happened so often
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:12 pm to Choupique19
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I'm not knighting for Crowton, as much as I'm pointing out that Les Miles wants to sit on the ball on offense, play field postion, and then hope that the Honey Badger scores a touchdown so that LSU wins.
Untrue. Les knows his teams and does what it takes to try and get the W. When we have a qb you can put confidence in, the O opens up. (JR, Flynn, RP) when we don't it gets conservative and relies more on the d. Last season it was obvious we wanted to open the o more but at times it just wasn't in synch and we played more ball control.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:12 pm to Choupique19
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I'm not a constant Les basher. I give credit where it's deserved, and Les deserves a ton of credit for the overall job he has done at LSU. But no coach is perfect, and the offensive philosophy/execution/results of the last 4 years is an area that Les needs to improve.
We played to our strengths. Saban is a great coach, but bama loses games with arguably the most talent in the country. I just get pissed when people think Les is the only coach that has made a mistake.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:13 pm to MOT
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But if Mett is taking hits, turning the ball over, the receivers aren't getting open, and the receivers are struggling catching the ball consistently..
It's hard for receivers to get open against top quality college defensive backs when the only routes you run are quick slants, a deep out, and the occasional vertical route.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:13 pm to MOT
quote:One solution to that is you might try recruiting, keeping, and developing a QB so you aren't put into that position. LSU is not a program that has to take QB scraps or scrubs from someone who doesn't want them or even 3rd rate players. Go out and fricking recruit a QB and develop him, not stunt his growth. You are getting paid millions of dollars to do just that.
And 08 (one of the bad offense years according to your 5 year time frame) is a prime example of why you don't keep winging the ball around if you suck at it.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:14 pm to Choupique19
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At what point did the 2011 offense become bad? I'd say right about the start of the Western Kentucky game. I blame that on the head coach making a big change in the offensive personnel. But of course, that's been discussed once or twice on this board.
No point in starting another JL/JJ mega thread, but you can't seriously think he had a different view of the offense for part of that season than he did for the other. The dedication to the defense/special teams/running game formula began after the 08-09 debacles and continued for the entire 2011 season.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:15 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
im a little late to this party and not responding to anyone in particular but if anyone thinks any OC in the country is given full play calling responsibility with 0 say so from the HC, they are sadly mistaken
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:17 pm to geauxjo
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Anyone with common sense and no agenda understands this.
this....bigtime.
get better.Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:17 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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One solution to that is you might try recruiting, keeping, and developing a QB so you aren't put into that position.
Absolutely right. I think that was a huge failure. But with that being said, it isn't exactly something you can address during the season so he did what he thought he had to do to win games.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:18 pm to redfieldk717
Yes Red, there is a whole lot of silliness going on in this thread.
People, unrustle your jimmies.
The offensive will be much improved. MUCH. So relax
People, unrustle your jimmies.
The offensive will be much improved. MUCH. So relax
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:19 pm to geauxjo
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When we have a qb you can put confidence in, the O opens up.
This is a tired excuse. There is no good reason that either Jarret Lee or Jordan Jefferson couldn't develope into a solid quarterback (I actually believe that one did). Zach Mettenberger is far too talented to get the results that we saw for much of last year. There was a systematic problem, and it isn't all the players.
Johnny Freaking Football threw 3 picks against LSU and his team lost. Did Coach Sumlin change to the I formation and never throw a pass again? No, they taught Manziel where he made mistakes and learned how to be better next time. As a result, they went into Tuscaloosa and played to win, and Johnny Football played great. His coaches didn't go into that game with the mindset, "Let's call a bunch of running plays so that we don't make mistakes."
You have to put the players in a position to succeed, and LSU has not done that with the passing game in the last few years.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:19 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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One solution to that is you might try recruiting, keeping, and developing a QB so you aren't put into that position.
I do think that's a root problem. And change "QB" to "OC" and you get a similar story. It's been musical chairs. Of course, there have been bad breaks along the way in that regard.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:20 pm to uway
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Big-time coaches promote Oline coaches to Offensive Coordinator and then dictate the game plan to them? That happens everywhere?
When your real and newly hired OC is diagnosed with a serious disease? Yes.
Posted on 8/12/13 at 2:21 pm to Choupique19
Good talk fellas.
Catch ya later!
Catch ya later!
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